How to Defense Ohio State

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Wise-Vol

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How should I know? :crazy:

Seriously, I'm sure Pearl and Forbes have it under control, but my lowly opinion is that the three most important offensive players for OSU are Turner, Diebler, and Lighty, in that order.

I suspect that when JP Prince is in the game, he will be defending Turner. When he is not in the game, it will probably be Hopson. That is what they did against Leonard of SDSU.

If it were me, I'd consider running a very loose match-up box and 1 zone.

The concept would basically be first that JP Prince or Hopson has Turner man to man.

Second, Williams or Hall (or Chism, if Baby Pearl is in the game) stays in the low post guarding Lauderdale (or Madsen). There is going to have to be help because OSU sets a lot of high ball screens using Lauderdale/Madsen to get Turner free.

Third, the three other players occupy space around the three point line and pick-up whoever comes in their area with particular emphasis on Diebler. So, if Diebler runs the baseline from Chism to Hopson, Williams floats, Chism picks up Lauderdale temporarily and then Hopson grabs Diebler and Chism stays on his side of the court with Lighty or Buford. Same with Maze. If the wings aren't switching, then Williams will have to follow the guy running the baseline and Chism will have to pick up Lauderdale.

Fourth, there will have to be some sagging to help on Turner. Hopefully we pay attention to Diebler when that happens.

Fifth, you have to make Turner go left. He already is shaky handling the ball. Don't let him go to his strong side.

With all that said, Bruce will probably come out in a straight man to man. :rock:
 
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I feel we will do a good job on Turner. I believe UT wins the game if we do the simple things, 1.) Low Turnovers
2.) Finish Around The Basket 3.) Rebound. We do those things at a high level we win the game. SDSU game would not have been close if we could have rebounded and finished around the basket better. We cannot get away with screwing those things up against OSU.
 
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If we are wanting to focus on defending their shooters, then we won't see much, if any, heavy sets with 2 of Chism/Williams/Hall on the court at once. Bone will log more minutes as will Goins. We may run lots of sets with Goins/Maze, Hopson/Tatum, Bone/McBee, Prince/Pearl, and Chism/Williams.
 
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Wise-Vol said:
three most important offensive players for OSU are Turner, Diebler, and Lighty, in that order.
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I like your philosophy on how to guard tOSU, but you are way off on listing the 3 most important offensive players.

1.Turner
2.Buford

3a.Lighty
3b.Diebs





5f.Lauderdale


I think this might be the most competitive game of the sweet 16. Going to come down to the team that makes the least amount of mistakes and makes their free-throws
Good Luck :boobies:
 
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braths said:
Anyone think that we'll see the press in this game at all?
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Hope so. If we get past OSU (I think we have a good shot) then it seems the thing No. Iowa and MSU have had the hardest time against is the press.
 
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Bear Bryant said:
I feel we will do a good job on Turner. I believe UT wins the game if we do the simple things, 1.) Low Turnovers
2.) Finish Around The Basket 3.) Rebound. We do those things at a high level we win the game. SDSU game would not have been close if we could have rebounded and finished around the basket better. We cannot get away with screwing those things up against OSU.
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I agree. Minimize turnovers and be aggresive on the boards.

OSU will play zone, and to keep them from collapsing in the paint, I hope we have a few guys hit some early threes. That will help open up the paint, because our best strategy is to drive the bucket, get high percentage shots, and try to draw some fouls.
 
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Bear Bryant said:
I feel we will do a good job on Turner. I believe UT wins the game if we do the simple things, 1.) Low Turnovers
2.) Finish Around The Basket 3.) Rebound. We do those things at a high level we win the game. SDSU game would not have been close if we could have rebounded and finished around the basket better. We cannot get away with screwing those things up against OSU.
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Yes, but remember SDSU's strength was their interior. Not so with OSU. That is like saying, if we beat OSU by 5 points, but Turner scores 23, that the game would not have been close if we had done a better job on Turner.

I agree with your keys to victory and think the last two will be easier because we are facing OSU and not SDSU. But those are only a few keys to victory. The harder ones are defense against Turner and Diebler.

Consider that Diebler has made more three pointers than Buford, Lighty, and Turner combined. In fact, only when you include Simmons (who has averaged 2.9 minutes in the last 10 games and may not see the court against us) does the rest of the team have slightly more three point shots made than Diebler.

If you look at OSU's losses to Minn, Purdue, and WVU, Turner got his average or very close, but Diebler was limited in each of those games to 11 points or less and 3 or fewer 3 point shots made.

We need to employ the Diebler Defense.
 
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CaptnWoody said:
I like your philosophy on how to guard tOSU, but you are way off on listing the 3 most important offensive players.

1.Turner
2.Buford

3a.Lighty
3b.Diebs





5f.Lauderdale


I think this might be the most competitive game of the sweet 16. Going to come down to the team that makes the least amount of mistakes and makes their free-throws
Good Luck :boobies:
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Agree. I think most Tennessee fans are going off their impressions of OSU vs. Georgia Tech. When Diebler is hot, he can really lay it on, but he's definitely not the 2nd most important man behind Turner.
 
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The amount of respect Diebler is getting over Bufford blowwwwws my mind. I'll take Bufford's consistent scoring over Diebler's streaky shooting every day.

Edit: And of course its the result of people only seeing 2 of the OSU games.
 
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Wise-Vol said:
Yes, but remember SDSU's strength was their interior. Not so with OSU. That is like saying, if we beat OSU by 5 points, but Turner scores 23, that the game would not have been close if we had done a better job on Turner.

I agree with your keys to victory and think the last two will be easier because we are facing OSU and not SDSU. But those are only a few keys to victory. The harder ones are defense against Turner and Diebler.

Consider that Diebler has made more three pointers than Buford, Lighty, and Turner combined. In fact, only when you include Simmons (who has averaged 2.9 minutes in the last 10 games and may not see the court against us) does the rest of the team have slightly more three point shots made than Diebler.

If you look at OSU's losses to Minn, Purdue, and WVU, Turner got his average or very close, but Diebler was limited in each of those games to 11 points or less and 3 or fewer 3 point shots made.

We need to employ the Diebler Defense.
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Good point.
 
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OSU is very good. All five can play with anyone in the country. What benefits UT is the match ups and UT's length.

If they can take advantage then it will be a good game. OSU will keep it close the whole game and could break away if they get hot from the outside.

The one thing I now for sure going in is they will get their looks from 3. If they go in, its going to be a long day.
 
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I see our guys picking Turners pocket quite ofter. He does't handle the ball very well so watch what happens.
 
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Not so sure I'd agree with that. His passing has gotten sloppier/riskier resulting in more turnovers, but I haven't seen too many issues with ballhandling (this year).
 
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SprintFun said:
The amount of respect Diebler is getting over Bufford blowwwwws my mind. I'll take Bufford's consistent scoring over Diebler's streaky shooting every day.

Edit: And of course its the result of people only seeing 2 of the OSU games.
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I think Diebler himself would get a kick out of reading this thread
 
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SprintFun said:
The amount of respect Diebler is getting over Bufford blowwwwws my mind. I'll take Bufford's consistent scoring over Diebler's streaky shooting every day.

Edit: And of course its the result of people only seeing 2 of the OSU games.
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Actually, the variation in the scoring patterns is pretty similar over the whole season. And I'd take Diebler's streakiness any day. Keep in mind that Buford is above his average in scoring in OSU's losses. Diebler has scored almost 4 points/game less in the losses. I don't really think it's wrong to focus on Diebler.
 
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SprintFun said:
The amount of respect Diebler is getting over Bufford blowwwwws my mind. I'll take Bufford's consistent scoring over Diebler's streaky shooting every day.

Edit: And of course its the result of people only seeing 2 of the OSU games.
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What are the strengths of Buford's game? Is he better from 2 or better from 3? Can he create his own shot or is he a set shooter from 3? Does he take it to the rim often or rely on a mid range game for his 2's?
 
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Turner is going to score points regardless of how we guard him. There should certaintly be some focus there, but not like GaTech focused on him and let Diebler kill them in the 2nd. Low turnovers and rebounding should always be focuses, so I agree with those as keys. Staying out of foul trouble and making sure Diebler doesn't get many clean looks will be the two things to watch imo.
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Oldblood said:
Actually, the variation in the scoring patterns is pretty similar over the whole season. And I'd take Diebler's streakiness any day. Keep in mind that Buford is above his average in scoring in OSU's losses. Diebler has scored almost 4 points/game less in the losses. I don't really think it's wrong to focus on Diebler.
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When Diebler provides a significant contribution, it's a bonus. But he's defintely the next major focus next to Turner. Diebler is pretty one dimensional. When he is open, and can get square, he will shoot lights out. But he's not doing a whole lot else.
 
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Lizzard28 said:
What are the strengths of Buford's game? Is he better from 2 or better from 3? Can he create his own shot or is he a set shooter from 3? Does he take it to the rim often or rely on a mid range game for his 2's?
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Yes.




Better 2 than three, can just easily pull up or take it to the rim - probably the best "dunker" on the team if that counts for anything. Has the pretty shooting stroke on the team, and Bill Raftery usually puts his cock in his mouth and calls him "silky smooth". He was the Big10 Freshman of the Year last year and rumor is he might be NBA bound after this season. He usually just has pretty quiet games though and at the end you'll be like "Damn...he had 17 points?"
 
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Lizzard28 said:
What are the strengths of Buford's game? Is he better from 2 or better from 3? Can he create his own shot or is he a set shooter from 3? Does he take it to the rim often or rely on a mid range game for his 2's?
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He technically plays 3, but he's a versatile guard. He's best off the dribble, and has the ability to create, but will also knock down 3 pointers (I wouldn't call him a set shooter like Diebler). Both he and Lighty are better than Diebler is.
 
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Buford is most athletic player on the team, IMO, and in the long run, will be more of an impact player than Turner in the NBA.

Turner will be really solid and have a long career, but Buford has the better chance at being a "star."

He hasn't had a great tourney thus far, but if he gets involved and is playing confident and hitting his shots, he is tough to beat.
 
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Cbus4life said:
Buford is most athletic player on the team, IMO, and in the long run, will be more of an impact player than Turner in the NBA.

Turner will be really solid and have a long career, but Buford has the better chance at being a "star."
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I don't know - hard to project that IMO. I think Turner is far more NBA ready than Bufford, but Bufford probably has more upside. Then again Oden had incredible upside - you just never know how it will pan out.
 
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