How Much Does CDD's Record Bother You?

#101
#101
Once again we have to look at a W/L record for face value without looking at what was behindit. You can throw everything out like they lost five straight by a combined 26 points or what ever.

But nothing bothers me more than those that have been judge, jury and passed a sentence of "LOSER & FAILURE" without the first practice and snap. Now That Does Bother Me
 
#102
#102
Let's see...he is currently 0-0 at UT so I am just fine with his record thus far. I'm not worried about any previous record--it is all about what he is doing with the opportunity and resources at his disposal at UT. He is in the SEC now where he will be given top-notch everything and it is up to him to succeed. Probably be better to answer this question after the 2012 season IMO...
 
#103
#103
Tidal Surge said:
Derek Dooley has a better WL record as a HC than Lil Lane had when UT hired him and there were big "red flags" flying concerning Lil Lane's questionable character. Would UT have even hired Lil Lane if Monte hadn't been part of the package? According to people who really know what Derek Dooley is all about, like Nick Saban and Will Muschamp, Derek Dooley has what it takes to be a great HC if given the opportunity at a great program. UT fits the bill as a great program. There is always some risk with a coaching hire. Hiring a guy who was well mentored, has outstanding character, is a very good fit and views the job as a great destination job are extremely important -- especially given UT's current situation. Dooley is a much better and far less risky hire than the last one was -- by a mile.
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Excellent post. I'm really starting to like you...kind of a funny feeling to feel that way about a Bama fan--lol. :)
 
#104
#104
How much does Dooley's miserable record bother me? Well, let's put things in perspective. How many coaches have come into the SEC with a losing record as a head coach at a smaller school and had a good amount of success? Have there been any in the past 30 or so years? This hire is a joke.
 
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oregonvol said:
How much does Dooley's miserable record bother me? Well, let's put things in perspective. How many coaches have come into the SEC with a losing record as a head coach at a smaller school and had a good amount of success? Have there been any in the past 30 or so years? This hire is a joke.
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The closest examples I can find are those of Gerry Dinardo at LSU and Rich Brooks at UK. Dinardo was 19-25 in his 4 years at Vandy and then took over LSU and led them to 3 straight bowl wins (Independence 2x and the Peach). He then proceded to leave the program in the dumpster and was fired after 10 games in 1999 after starting 0-7 in SEC play. Brooks spent 18 seasons as the coach at Oregon and complied a record of 91-109-4. After taking control at UK, he slowly built the team up, and by the end of his run they had appeared in 4 straight bowl games, winning the first three. I don't know if either of those qualifies as a "good amount of success" to UT fans, but there's simply not a lot of precedent for coaches that have failed at other "easier" stops along the way and then done much winning in the SEC.
 
#106
#106
New guy here so excuse me if this has already been said. CDD record worries me a little but I try to consider that he was coaching at La Tech (no disrespect intended) and that he did not have the resources that Tennessee has. I also understand that he had to deal with LSU, Alabama and even Ole Miss as far as recruiting. All in all, I liked his pc and I feel good. After all this is Tennessee and we are the Volunteers!
 
#107
#107
About 15% sums it up.

He knew he was going to a lousy situation, but he wanted to get head coaching experience and was able to do that at a job without any stress or expectation.

In year 2 he took them to their first bowl game in over 30 years.

Last year they were 4-8, but we don't know his roster situation that well and there were bright spots along the way.

1. His QB threw 17 tds to only 5 ints. That has to say something.
2. He had a 1,000 rusher and the team ran it for over 2,000 yards and over 4.0 ypc
3. They averaged 29.2 points per game

Last, but not least...

4. 7 of their 8 losses were against bowl teams. They ARE La Tech fellas. What do you expect? The WAC is a tough conference as it is, but you aren't doing yourself any favors by scheduling Auburn, Navy, and LSU in non-conference. That's 3 automatic losses for them in pretty much any year.



I don't expect immediate results because our schedule the next two seasons are unbelievably brutal. However, what we will do is continue to build around what is obviously a very young team and just as the schedule eases up and they get experience playing tough games, they'll be ready to explode in 2012 and 2013.

Believe it.
 
#108
#108
As long as he has a winning record at Tennessee I couldn't care less about his record at La Tech.
 
#109
#109
TreeGreen said:
As long as he has a winning record at Tennessee I couldn't care less about his record at La Tech.
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:good!: great point, i dont care what his record was at a place thats almost impossiable to win or recruit at. i only care what coaches and recruits he brings in and his record at tennessee. and also how him and his team represents tennessee.
 
#110
#110
TreeGreen said:
As long as he has a winning record at Tennessee I couldn't care less about his record at La Tech.
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:good!: great point, i dont care what his record was at a place thats almost impossible to win or recruit at. i only care what coaches and recruits he brings in and his record at tennessee. and also how him and his team represents tennessee.
 
#113
#113
Dooley's record is what it is as he will tell you. What he won't tell you is he took a program with a defeatist attitude; a total athletic budget ranked 115, 116 or 117,depending on the source, out of 120; unable to recruit a full class because of gender equity; close to zero facilities and made it an attractive place to play and work in 3 years. The concern over the 3rd year and the fact that that would be his 1st class to reflect his recruiting is a little flawed. He had to finish the Dolphins season after he was hired, try to make some headway in recruiting and assemble a staff. His 1st true class was the second year so if you want to evaluate his recruiting, follow Tech this year. This years class seems to remain intact and was his best yet. Regarding other coaches and their records, specifically Peterson and Whittingham. Both these coaches inherited established, winning programs and just had to drive the bus. Neither has ever faced what Dooley had to deal with. Be glad he's here and give him a chance.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I think even beginning to rationalize losses is a bad idea.
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What are you even doing posting? I remember something along the lines of "if UT hires Dooley there will be more bandwidth available as I will stop supporting UT" blah blah blah. Is that about right?

I really don't care just calling you out. I mean at a really crazy time when you could hardly get on the board you chose to post a meaningless thread about what you were going to do if _____ happened. Well it happened I think you should at least suspend yourself until spring ball starts!
 
#116
#116
BigPapaVol said:
I think even beginning to rationalize losses is a bad idea.
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Exactly. They were a slightly below .500 WAC team when he arrived, and were a slightly below .500 WAC team when he left. The bar for improving in the WAC isn't real high, and I for one have some concerns unlike some other folks around here who are apparently willing to blindly believe no matter who comes here will win.
 
#118
#118
mtvols said:
No one should be concerned with his record. It's LA TECH! They play SEC teams and travel long distances for road games. You can't even recruit there, because you are recruiting against LSU, other SEC schools, and all the Texas schools.

The key thing to remember is that he coached for 7 years under Sabin. Not many coaches survive that long under him. Sabin thought enough of him to take him to the Dolphins. If Sabin says he can coach then he can. And don't forget he was the recruiting coordinater for some top 5 classes at LSU. We will be fine, Dooley can coach.
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^^ This ^^

IMO, Prior to Dooley taking the HC job at UT, I have no doubt that working for Nick Saban was the hardest job he's ever had. And, that includes coaching at LaTech. The guy is good or Saban wouldn't have kept him around for 7 yrs and taken him to the NFL with him. Dooley will definitly know how to get the job done.
 
#119
#119
His losses at tech don't concern me nearly as much as his not having a defensive staff in place at this point. Players like to know who their position coaches are, not having a coordinator on the defensive side this close to signing day doesn't help either.
 
#120
#120
I don't care if he was 17-20, 37-0 or 0-37 at Louisiana Tech. I care about what his record is at Tennessee.

Ask me in December if his record bothers me.
 
#121
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jsc1973 said:
I don't care if he was 17-20, 37-0 or 0-37 at Louisiana Tech. I care about what his record is at Tennessee.

Ask me in December if his record bothers me.
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Exactly. He is undefeated at TN. Lets see what happens.
 
#122
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TennesseeT said:
What are you even doing posting? I remember something along the lines of "if UT hires Dooley there will be more bandwidth available as I will stop supporting UT" blah blah blah. Is that about right?

I really don't care just calling you out. I mean at a really crazy time when you could hardly get on the board you chose to post a meaningless thread about what you were going to do if _____ happened. Well it happened I think you should at least suspend yourself until spring ball starts!
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does that change anything?

I did what I said. I won't be sending any more money to the AD.
 
#124
#124
I will give the guy a chance to prove himself but if we are all honest with ourselves we would admit we were underwhelmed at his being named our head coach. I have seen nothing in his resume that tells me he has been a successful head coach, likewise I have seen nothing that tells me he is a horrible coach either. His record would be considered as mediocre at best, certainly nothing there to lead me to believe he is a top notch candidate for similar coaching gigs across the nation.

If those of you who are going out of your way to blast those who show skepticism you need to go after those who show equal amounts of optimism because there sure as hell isn't any reason to support that claim either. If we step back from our personal glasses of kool aid for a second we would quickly notice we are assuming the positions usually reserved for lower tier programs by giving a relative unkown and certainly unproven commodity their "big break".
 
#125
#125
His record at La Tech does not bother me at all. He is a vast improvement when it comes to character/respect and has a SEC pedigree to boot. I would rather have a coach that builds character and let the winning come after our programs' respect is returned to what it was.
 
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