How much does an O-line affect results?

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The importance of the oline is overrated. I do see an offensive line as being extremely imprortant, but when people call it the most important position in football, I get annoyed.

Because when they do this, it's always a 5 to 1 comparision. If you look at it 1 to 1 (example right guard vs qb), few people would call any one offensive line position more important than quarterback or running back.
 
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walkenvol said:
Can't recall who the Redskin's O-line was back then, but I do recall that there weren't many in the NFL successfully blocking LT much.
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"The Hogs:...Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Mark May and George Starke. They were pretty solid! The LT hit on Theisman was just unfortunate timing. Later on, our own Raleigh McKenzie joined this group!
 
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Vol8188 said:
The importance of the oline is overrated. I do see an offensive line as being extremely imprortant, but when people call it the most important position in football, I get annoyed.

Because when they do this, it's always a 5 to 1 comparision. If you look at it 1 to 1 (example right guard vs qb), few people would call any one offensive line position more important than quarterback or running back.
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The og, peyton in the Super Bowl. That's what happens when both lines don't show up.
 
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Burger said:
I think the Center is the most underrated position in football. Without his leadership skills on the line, QB gets flatbacked.
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I could see the argument for that. He makes the line calls and has to get the ball to the qb.

We try to put our best lineman at center. The reason being, he has to step and snap. That's tough for a lot of kids to learn to do at the same time. And we are an inside zone team so we are normally running right behind him, and if he gets blown back we have no cutback lane.
 
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VFL34 said:
Sorry, we call peyton the O.G..... The Super Bowl this last year is an example of what happens when you have horrible line play.
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Sorry, I didn't know that. But still, you're talking about terrible play from 5 total players. What if Peyton, the RB, and 3 of their wr's played terrible? They results would have still been the same IMO.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sorry, I didn't know that. But still, you're talking about terrible play from 5 total players. What if Peyton, the RB, and 3 of their wr's played terrible? They results would have still been the same IMO.
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Yes, but I'm saying, the line on both ends is very significant. If ur d-line is asleep ur gonna get blown out. If ur oline is asleep ur gonna get blown out. It takes just one player to mess up and the whole oline is trashed. It could be anywhere from a false start to not reading your block. U can live off a running back or one reciever not showing up.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I could see the argument for that. He makes the line calls and has to get the ball to the qb.

We try to put our best lineman at center. The reason being, he has to step and snap. That's tough for a lot of kids to learn to do at the same time. And we are an inside zone team so we are normally running right behind him, and if he gets blown back we have no cutback lane.
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DO you guys double team the 0 or 1 gap? Without a solid center to hinge the line on, there will be no up the middle running game, see the packers after the wells era.
 
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walkenvol said:
No doubt, if you have such an elite O-line that they push the entire defensive front 7 back 5 yards every play then you're going to have a very successful offense. Does that ever happens these days as I can't recall one? SEC d-lines are too good and deep for the most part to be pushed around like high schoolers.

My question is whether O-linemen are possibly an easier position to develop a quality unit vs recruiting an elite talent at DL, LB, QB, RB etc. It seems like there are so many more success stories of unknown recruits developing into stellar O-linemen than at other positions.
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With rare exception, the gators lost (under spurrier) when they were beaten up front. All of that flash and everything went straight down the toilet when they were beat up front.

There was a time when I'd watch the first possession or two and declare the game over if no one was getting to the qb
 
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Burger said:
DO you guys double team the 0 or 1 gap? Without a solid center to hinge the line on, there will be no up the middle running game, see the packers after the wells era.
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If we have an odd front the backside guard will end up doubling the 0 with the center. On inside zone we make it as easy as possible. Our rule is "nearest lineman". If you have two guys equally close, you take the one playside.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If we have an odd front the backside guard will end up doubling the 0 with the center. On inside zone we make it as easy as possible. Our rule is "nearest lineman". If you have two guys equally close, you take the one playside.
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Smart idea, either way, the center has to make the right call every play, or it fails.
 
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Burger said:
Smart idea, either way, the center has to make the right call every play, or it fails.
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I know this is odd, but I actually prefer no calls. It's different and takes gettin used to, but it's because of how fast I want to play. Since everyone has the same rule on zone plays, you can look at the guy beside of you and know if he will be helping you or not based on the defensive alignment.

Btw the new big thing with the zone and power schemes out of the gun is reading the backside lb and blocking the de.

A lot of teams (Baylor being the one I've seen do this the most) will pull the backside guard on power to influence that backside lb to run with the pull. And they have the backside slot run a slant.

If the lb runs with the pulling guard. The qb keeps and throws the slant. If he stays home, they give it to the RB on power.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I know this is odd, but I actually prefer no calls. It's different and takes gettin used to, but it's because of how fast I want to play. Since everyone has the same rule on zone plays, you can look at the guy beside of you and know if he will be helping you or not based on the defensive alignment.

Btw the new big thing with the zone and power schemes out of the gun is reading the backside lb and blocking the de.

A lot of teams (Baylor being the one I've seen do this the most) will pull the backside guard on power to influence that backside lb to run with the pull. And they have the backside slot run a slant.

If the lb runs with the pulling guard. The qb keeps and throws the slant. If he stays home, they give it to the RB on power.
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I can see how that works, but it has to be practiced over and over again. I'm sure you guys are on top of that.

I'll give you another example of how the center is important in our scheme. I'm watching the Syracuse game, and Villanova's center is consistently making push. That push gives the Qb enough room to get five yards on the draw when outside contain is there. If that center does not get push, the inside run is useless.
 
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The offensive line play is critical to getting anywhere on offense.
The offensive line is like the hull of the ship or the plow on a bulldozer.
 
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#46
Football begins with line play. No one else on offense can do their job if the O-line can't do theirs. If the O-line is poor, the defensive line and LBs are all in the backfield right after the snap,
disrupting runs before they start, chasing the QB down before he can pass and sacking for a loss. As far as I'm concerned, they are your single most important position group. It's why you want your line to be experienced upperclassmen who know and can execute their blocking assignments.
 
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walkenvol said:
Everyone is rightfully concerned about the mass turnover on the O-line. The difference made by an elite QB / RB / WR is easy for the average fan to notice. An elite D-lineman can show up big also. It got me wondering though, just how much of a difference is there between D1 college o-linemen? Obviously they are important or the staff wouldn't try so hard to recruit elite talent there, but is it easier to train a big body in your program to be a competent O-lineman vs most any other position on the field?

Everyone recalls Kiffy's year with the 265 lbs walk on twins in the lineup. Hardesy had a great season running the ball and Crompton wasn't on his back all the time. Is there really that big of a difference in an average O-line and an good O-line when it comes to wins and losses? I was trying to remember when UT had a terrible offense due to bad line play and couldn't think of one. Everyone remembers bad play from offensive skill players but not really bad O-line play preventing quality skill players from doing there thing.

This is a question, not a statement. I'm not a FB coach and may be completely wet here. :hi:
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I'm not worried about either line because both will be better then last year.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Football begins with line play. No one else on offense can do their job if the O-line can't do theirs. If the O-line is poor, the defensive line and LBs are all in the backfield right after the snap,
disrupting runs before they start, chasing the QB down before he can pass and sacking for a loss. As far as I'm concerned, they are your single most important position group. It's why you want your line to be experienced upperclassmen who know and can execute their blocking assignments.
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One thing to remember in this discussion is we are talking about scholarship players at UT.

You're describing a high school OL going up against an NFL DL.

I just looked this up because I actually disagree with a lot that has been said in this topic.... but the #1 sack team last year in the NCAA was 3.2 sacks a game. The median was 2.0 sacks per game. And team 125 was 0.8 sacks per game.

So I do think that the OL can be compensated more so than other positions on the field... and I don't think there is a ton of difference between the #10 ranked OL and the number #45 OL in the NCAA.

No position dictates W/L like the QB. I would take the best QB in the nation with the 50th best OL all day long as opposed to the #50 QB and the #1 OL.
 
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KnoxVegas said:
One thing to remember in this discussion is we are talking about scholarship players at UT.

You're describing a high school OL going up against an NFL DL.

I just looked this up because I actually disagree with a lot that has been said in this topic.... but the #1 sack team last year in the NCAA was 3.2 sacks a game. The median was 2.0 sacks per game. And team 125 was 0.8 sacks per game.

So I do think that the OL can be compensated more so than other positions on the field... and I don't think there is a ton of difference between the #10 ranked OL and the number #45 OL in the NCAA.

No position dictates W/L like the QB. I would take the best QB in the nation with the 50th best OL all day long as opposed to the #50 QB and the #1 OL.
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Arkansas and Bielema are proving you wrong as I type.
 
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