How much difference would Harrell and Inky have made this year?

#27
#27
Although there is a correlation between conditioning level and certain injuries, I don't believe for a second that the cataclysmic injuries of the last two seasons (Harrell, Inky, and Jason Allen) can be attributed to that.

Inky's injury was literally a one-in-a-million occurrance, although the way most guys tackle nowadays (lowering the head and shoulder rather than squaring up and locking on) I'm surprised it hasn't happened before. The so-called shoulder stingers are basically slight versions of what Inky suffered, which could have cost him his arm above the shoulder.

Jason Allen suffered a hip dislocation, which is nearly impossible to do under any circumstances. In the case of the shoulder, the stronger the muscle is around it, the less likely a dislocation will be (although it only reduces the risk to a point). With the hip, there's nothing that can be done to reduce that risk except for the fact that even dislocating the hip of a cadaver is nearly impossible, even using power tools. That should give you an idea of how rare that injury is.

I think the reason those injuries hurt more than in prior years is because the depth simply has not been there. When Jamal Lewis got injured, for example, Travis Henry and Travis Stephens stepped up. When Al Wilson was hurt, Chris Ramseur was an adequate stopgap. When Billy Ratliff was injured, he was replaced by any of Ron Green, Jeff Coleman, Fred Weary, or Darwin Walker. But the last few years have been worse because of the lack of adequate depth.
 
#28
#28
Every other team in the nation suffers injuries too, but they don't whine about them on a consistent basis like UT fans do. Perhaps that's because they're not constantly looking for excuses to hold on to a pathetic coaching staff out of fear of change.
 
#29
#29
Ohio Vol said:
Although there is a correlation between conditioning level and certain injuries, I don't believe for a second that the cataclysmic injuries of the last two seasons (Harrell, Inky, and Jason Allen) can be attributed to that.

Inky's injury was literally a one-in-a-million occurrance, although the way most guys tackle nowadays (lowering the head and shoulder rather than squaring up and locking on) I'm surprised it hasn't happened before. The so-called shoulder stingers are basically slight versions of what Inky suffered, which could have cost him his arm above the shoulder.

Jason Allen suffered a hip dislocation, which is nearly impossible to do under any circumstances. In the case of the shoulder, the stronger the muscle is around it, the less likely a dislocation will be (although it only reduces the risk to a point). With the hip, there's nothing that can be done to reduce that risk except for the fact that even dislocating the hip of a cadaver is nearly impossible, even using power tools. That should give you an idea of how rare that injury is.

I think the reason those injuries hurt more than in prior years is because the depth simply has not been there. When Jamal Lewis got injured, for example, Travis Henry and Travis Stephens stepped up. When Al Wilson was hurt, Chris Ramseur was an adequate stopgap. When Billy Ratliff was injured, he was replaced by any of Ron Green, Jeff Coleman, Fred Weary, or Darwin Walker. But the last few years have been worse because of the lack of adequate depth.
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Sounds like Inky Johnson's injury could have been avoided with better technique maybe the coach's are not doing a good enough job on the fundamentals like tackling technique.
 
#30
#30
oklavol said:
Sounds like Inky Johnson's injury could have been avoided with better technique maybe the coach's are not doing a good enough job on the fundamentals like tackling technique.
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#31
#31
oklavol said:
Sounds like Inky Johnson's injury could have been avoided with better technique maybe the coach's are not doing a good enough job on the fundamentals like tackling technique.
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You can coach tackling technique all you want, but if a player wants to go for a Sportscenter highlight hit, he's going to do it. I don't know if that's what Inky was going for, but it's certainly possible.
 
#32
#32
JAllen18MVP said:
You can coach tackling technique all you want, but if a player wants to go for a Sportscenter highlight hit, he's going to do it. I don't know if that's what Inky was going for, but it's certainly possible.
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we both can agree on this, that injury was a result of bad tackling technique.
 
#34
#34
oklavol said:
Sounds like Inky Johnson's injury could have been avoided with better technique maybe the coach's are not doing a good enough job on the fundamentals like tackling technique.
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Two guys running at full speed hit each other. Stuff happens.
 
#35
#35
JAllen18MVP said:
It's hard to say, but with Inky still playing, that would mean Stewart stays at safety where he should have been and Morley wouldn't have seen the field as much as he did. I think Morley was responsible for at least 1 Florida TD and at least 1 LSU TD, so maybe we win both those games, maybe not.

Who knows, really?
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Trust me Antwuan Stewart gave up more big plays, tds, and yards than Morley did in the secondary.
 
#38
#38
kptvol said:
Not a chance. Chris Leak looked Morley's way every time UF needed a big passing play. It worked every time.
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I agree. The thing is, on TV you can always tell when a Cornerback gets beaten . . . not so much with a safety.
 
#39
#39
GAVol said:
I agree. The thing is, on TV you can always tell when a Cornerback gets beaten . . . not so much with a safety.
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True. I do recall one play where there was some crossing route ran to Antwan's side. Dallas Baker, another WR, and Deshawn Wynn all ran to Stewart's side. No one else was on the field with Stewart. He picked a man to cover and Leak threw it to the other guy. I'm pretty sure a safety missed an assignment there. That's just one example of many I can recall.
 
#40
#40
GAVol said:
I agree. The thing is, on TV you can always tell when a Cornerback gets beaten . . . not so much with a safety.
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I wish they would show more replays from the coaches view upstairs. Its obvious what happens in the secondary from that view.
 
#41
#41
oklavol said:
I wish they would show more replays from the coaches view upstairs. Its obvious what happens in the secondary from that view.
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True this. Television camera coverage almost never allows one to see the defensive backfield except in WR iso coverage. It is the only aspect of the game about which the fan at the stadium can tell better than the viewer at home.
The all 22 camera could be, and should be, better incorporated into coverage.
 
#42
#42
orange+white=heaven said:
True this. Television camera coverage almost never allows one to see the defensive backfield except in WR iso coverage. It is the only aspect of the game about which the fan at the stadium can tell better than the viewer at home.
The all 22 camera could be, and should be, better incorporated into coverage.
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They'd much rather show a random player on the sideline or the coach right before the next play. I hate that.
 
#44
#44
oklavol,

Not a chance. Believe me when I say I'm no great fan of the way that UT "tackles", but to pin that injury on coaching or technique is grossly inaccurate. The damage that he suffered is normally seen in car accidents, not in football games. It's like saying that Rudy Tomjanovich's face could have remained intact if he'd learned better defensive fighting skills.
 
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