How much damage has been done?

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Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
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The AD thinks so.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
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What if we beat Kentucky? Does this sound familiar?
 
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I put my orange-tinted glasses away and am now forced to deal with the real. Your theories are far-fetched cause we gonna have to scratch and claw for every inch we get. We won't have the luxury of getting leads big enough to play back-ups this year.
 
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Tennessee might be getting a little better in baby steps, but, so is everybody else. Southern Miss. beat Alabama a few years ago. I believe Missouri scored something like 68 points against Purdue. LSU beat Ole Miss rather handily and SC beat Vandy by the skin of their teeth. So,it is not obvious to me that Tennessee will beat anybody we have left. However, the school is already embracing mediocrity by not officially firing CBJ. They have already decided that 7-5 is acceptable. Whereas, two division championships was unacceptable for Macelwain(Sp) at Florida. Tennessee sets the bar pretty low! What you see is what you get!
 
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I might also add that the coach at Purdue is one of the names mentioned as a replacement for CBJ. We don't need a coach, who can't win an SEC game. We already have one of those!
 
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bbeacham said:
I might also add that the coach at Purdue is one of the names mentioned as a replacement for CBJ. We don't need a coach, who can't win an SEC game. We already have one of those!
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Not that it was a major accomplishment but to set the record straight. Purdue beat Mizzou 35-3.
 
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You'll drive yourself up a wall with the hypothetical. But if you are going to play that game, make it believable.

So far, the Vols have underperformed in every game this season, so why should I expect things to suddenly change this week or next? So far, your scenario seems a pipe dream. We got a few guys who play their guts out, but stupid mistakes and lack of discipline by others waste their efforts.

Even if your scenario actually happens somehow, if Currie uses that to retain Jones? I don't see it. "It's one of those years." No. It's one of those years you look at, and realize a change needs to be made. Just the lack of discipline part is convincing enough. And if Currie doesn't make the change, he is either an idiot or Butch has incriminating evidence against him that could get him thrown in prison, deported, or both.
 
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Nah, if that was the case why wait till your on the chopping block to fix it? Why lose to UK and USCe first? IF that was the issue, then the fact they took this long to fix it is grounds enough for dismissal. Idiots can't be allowed to run something that a lot of people donate money and purchase season tickets for.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
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Speaking of play calling, Did anyone else think the offense scheme and play calling looked a little better against K? More under center, less read option?
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
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NOTHING has been done by the fan base or press. Jones is 100% responsible. Shifting blame should NOT be done.
 
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He beats Southern, LSU, Vandy, and Mizzou and it changes not one iota of my opinion that he should already have been fired.

First, I don't care about LSU because LSU is just a rotating team from the West.

Second, are we really trying to say he deserves one more year after proving(?) that he can only beat the traditional bottom dwellers of the SEC?

This guy has been at this for 5 years.
He has several top 10 recruiting classes under his belt (nevermind how those classes turned out in reality).

And who exactly has he defeated that's been worth more than 2 pinches of monkey @$#% in 5 years?

then #11 Carolina in 2013
then #19 Georgia in 2015
then #19 Florida and #25 Georgia in 2016

He's coached 56 regular season games up to this point and these are the 4 "signature" wins he's had?

Jones is an absolute loser.
 
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VFLCodyGBO said:
Let’s get hypothetical here for a moment. Let’s say something happens like Scott takes 100% control of the offense and what we thought were issues with his play calling turn out to have been a function of the scheme.

Let’s say that we go on to beat southern miss handidly, putting in the backups before halftime to get reps. We beat a bad Missouri team by 21 holding them to less than 20 points. We beat LSU by 21 and we beat Vandy by a double score margin.

I know I know hypothetical and some (many) don’t like playing these games, but if the above does happen, an argument can be made for the future looking bright, would Butch be able to salvage the Recruiting class and retain coaches after all that has been done by the fan base and the press?
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Those hypotheticals coming to fruition would have me scratching my eyes out wondering why the later hypothetical of Butch staying would even be a consideration. It makes the case to get rid of them, if it took that long to make the realization.
 
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Too little, too late IMO for a year 5 coaching staff.

“What if” next year started the same way. Lose to FL, GA, AL, SC, KY.
“What if” it’s the SOS????????
 
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I doubt he runs the table and he certainly won't without a huge improvement in execution/discipline. If that did happen, I'd be pissed why it didn't happen earlier. His entire body of work screams he's in over his head in the SEC. Find someone who can get us back competing for championships.
 
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We will be lucky to not get beat by LSU by 21. Our offense can hardly produce first downs against decent defenses. I would be shocked, even with Orgeron at the helm.
 
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Not to be negative, even though it is, I know, but even if Butch is not fired and stays through next season, this same scenerio will repeat itself. There are certain teams he can not and will not be able to beat with his coaching philosophies and schemes.
 
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You are what you are at this point. The qb play may get a little better which will help, that's about it.. This team will be lucky to do 2-2 down the stretch.. This season is shot. Beat Vandy though. I can't stand the thought of losing again to them.
 
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