How many years will it take

[SpaceCoastVol]

You're embarrassing yourself, and your fellow vol fans. This may be volnation but there's no reason we cannot be civil to rival fans. They're here because while our football team may be garbage at the moment, this forum is more active and has a far superior UI than probably 95% of other college football forums that exist. As such it's a great place to discuss college football with other college football enthusiasts.

I hate losing. I really hate having my nose rubbed in it.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

I hate losing. I really hate having my nose rubbed in it.

I totally understand. Our board of commissioners and attorneys are all Vandy alum or work at Vandy (not in athletics), so for years now every month is a Vandy love fest that used to really piss me off but I just gotta let it go. At the end of the day, it's just football and I choose not to empower others by allowing them to get under my skin.

 

[butchna]

There were a literal TON of reasons to see that he was NOT a championship caliber coach. Some of us saw it. Too many didn't.

In the end, all the fortune telling was for naught. We were all right at the same time.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I totally understand. Our board of commissioners and attorneys are all Vandy alum or work at Vandy (not in athletics), so for years now every month is a Vandy love fest that used to really piss me off but I just gotta let it go. At the end of the day, it's just football and I choose not to empower others by allowing them to get under my skin.

I just don't understand the desire by some of these guys to troll here. Are Bama fans and gator fans just bandwagon idiots that they can't carry on an intelligent conversation about football?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

meh. i get why people think this way. but really, the bigger problem for us right now is what GA is turning in to.

we could have won the East in both 15 and 16 even with the losses to Bama.

True. But Bama has been, and will continue to be a loss for probably another hundred years. As they showed, you can finish third in the conference and still get a NC, but we will never be able to do that losing to both.

 

[HSTVol]

Why is everybody so envious of Alabama? I have no desire to be the University of Alabama at Knoxville. Let's do our own thing. Screw them and Georgia too. We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.

My favorite post of the day! I’ll play along.

1. “Why is everybody so envious of Alabama?” Just a guess, but it might be because they won 4 NCs in a 7 year span, and may add another on Monday?

2. “Let’s do our own thing.” Pretty sure that’s what we’ve been doing for far too long, and we finally hit rock bottom. We were the worst team in the SEC this year.

3. “We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.” We’ve done that countless times! We’ve tried to buy every “big name” coach in the business. We’ve had the door slammed in our face more times than a Jehovah’s Witness.

You’re a funny guy!

To answer the question posed in this thread:

4 years because talent and depth is a HUGE issue.

Slow but steady improvement.
2018. 6-6
2019. 7-5
2020. 8-4
2021. 10-2

(If we don’t find some serious QB talent, years 3 and 4 won’t happen.)

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

My favorite post of the day! I’ll play along.

1. “Why is everybody so envious of Alabama?” Just a guess, but it might be because they won 4 NCs in a 7 year span, and may add another on Monday?

2. “Let’s do our own thing.” Pretty sure that’s what we’ve been doing for far too long, and we finally hit rock bottom. We were the worst team in the SEC this year.

3. “We should have thrown the house at Chip Kelly and Scott Frost.” We’ve done that countless times! We’ve tried to buy every “big name” coach in the business. We’ve had the door slammed in our face more times than a Jehovah’s Witness.

You’re a funny guy!

To answer the question posed in this thread:

4 years because talent and depth is a HUGE issue.

Slow but steady improvement.
2018. 6-6
2019. 7-5
2020. 8-4
2021. 10-2

(If we don’t find some serious QB talent, years 3 and 4 won’t happen.)


No way we lose 6 games next year. We will likely lose to Alabama and Georgia but we will win at least 2 of 4 from S.C. , Auburn, Florida and Missouri.

 

[HSTVol]

No way we lose 6 games next year. We will likely lose to Alabama and Georgia but we will win at least 2 of 4 from S.C. , Auburn, Florida and Missouri.

I hope you’re right!

 

[k-town_king]

7-5
9-3
11-1

 

[JMSqb11]

If we aren't a 10 win team by year 2, I am afraid it will be a long process.

Pruitt reminds me a lot of Kiffin in terms of "splash recruiting" and the staff he is building.

Kiffin was pretty smart in tailoring his offense to the few strong points of our returning players (rolling pocket passing scheme with Crompton).

I think our offense will be fine under Helton. He had a great offense at USC. I think much like Kiffin, Pruitt is going to work hard himself on the defense.

From a pure X's and O's standpoint, I think Pruitt will be fine as head coach, but also on his side of the ball being defense.

 

[jakez4ut]

If we aren't a 10 win team by year 2, I am afraid it will be a long process.

Pruitt reminds me a lot of Kiffin in terms of "splash recruiting" and the staff he is building.

Kiffin was pretty smart in tailoring his offense to the few strong points of our returning players (rolling pocket passing scheme with Crompton).

I think our offense will be fine under Helton. He had a great offense at USC. I think much like Kiffin, Pruitt is going to work hard himself on the defense.

From a pure X's and O's standpoint, I think Pruitt will be fine as head coach, but also on his side of the ball being defense.

hard to speak in those kinds of absolutes, really.

i get what you're saying, but siap yesterday....we'll know by the end of year two just by watching this team play whether or not they get it, and look like a team capable of competing at the top of this league. regardless of any potential for championship contention.

i don't think it will, or should, take this staff long to put a team on the field that can compete. if they recruit like we think they can, and so far have shown, then i think by year 3 this program will look a lot different, and be competing for the division and conf. depth and development is still the biggest issue overall.

what can separate this staff from the previous staffs, is what will they do with the opportunities that will assuredly present themselves over the next two years?

when you find yourself in winnable situations against teams like FL, GA, OU, Bama, ARK, aTm, like CBJ did in his first 3-4 years, will this staff be able to do what they couldn't and close the deal more times than not?

and can/will they avoid the dumbfounding losses?

if this program is going to take that step, at some point, this program is going to have find a way to win games like that 15 OU or 15 Bama or 14, 15 FL type games.

cause we'll have those types of games again....and maybe sooner than we think. who knows.

but it's those types of games that can define a career and establish momentum going forward.

 

[Nocleats]

There seems to be an idea here that it takes a long time to succeed. The truth is that the guys who can't coach what they have and have some success early... don't magically become great coaches once they get some talent. Witness Butch Jones but he's not alone.

IF Pruitt can coach then he'll win more than expected EARLIER than expected. He'll get players and compete within 3 years. If he doesn't... then you need to get yourself ready to cut bait. You don't help the program by keeping the WRONG GUY 5 years instead of 3.

MMM thats not the question. Read and try again

 

[Sarms58]

He'll have the current players playing with that mentality next September...got some talent on the D but we lack the dominating DTs that are characteristic of Bama's D...not sure he can coach up Tuttle, McKenzie and the rest or if he will need to recruit but having DTs that require double teams (remember Henderson and Haynesworth?) and can create pressure from the inside is the building block of a great D. You can't run in the middle and on passing downs they penetrate like a DE...

He will have our LB core looking like a different group of players...it will help to have Darrin Kirkland back along with Daniel Bituli. Will Ignont is an Alabama style backer and I hear we are getting a great LB out of south Georgia who fits that mold as well. I hope Sapp comes back in 100% and lives up to his potential.

 

[Sarms58]

Kiffin was pretty smart in tailoring his offense to the few strong points of our returning players (rolling pocket passing scheme with Crompton).

Yea...that's what good coaches do...unlike Butch who used a pocket passer to be a dual threat QB...

 

[zydane47]

IDK, I think now that every team is limited to 25 players a year, they'll have to be more selective on who they can get, which means other top level players will have to sign else where, so could take as little as three years, who knows

 

[JMSqb11]

hard to speak in those kinds of absolutes, really.

i get what you're saying, but siap yesterday....we'll know by the end of year two just by watching this team play whether or not they get it, and look like a team capable of competing at the top of this league. regardless of any potential for championship contention.

i don't think it will, or should, take this staff long to put a team on the field that can compete. if they recruit like we think they can, and so far have shown, then i think by year 3 this program will look a lot different, and be competing for the division and conf. depth and development is still the biggest issue overall.

what can separate this staff from the previous staffs, is what will they do with the opportunities that will assuredly present themselves over the next two years?

when you find yourself in winnable situations against teams like FL, GA, OU, Bama, ARK, aTm, like CBJ did in his first 3-4 years, will this staff be able to do what they couldn't and close the deal more times than not?

and can/will they avoid the dumbfounding losses?

if this program is going to take that step, at some point, this program is going to have find a way to win games like that 15 OU or 15 Bama or 14, 15 FL type games.

cause we'll have those types of games again....and maybe sooner than we think. who knows.

but it's those types of games that can define a career and establish momentum going forward.

All great SEC coaches made huge leaps in their second year. Saban at LSU and Bama. Kirby and Richt at UGA. Les Miles was 22-4 in his first two years, but he was hired after a 7-5 season at OSU. Urban won a title in his second year.

Point is great coaches don't need 3-4 years to show their true value. I am not saying Pruitt will or won't go to playoff in his second year. However, I do think we will know how good he will be by end of year 2. Basically, if he can stay under 8 losses thru 2 seasons, we got a good one.

 

[sjt18]

MMM thats not the question. Read and try again

Read it again. You said that it wouldn't be noticeable until 2020 at best but probably 2021.

Jones didn't coach well. He didn't coach well getting blown off the field in year one or losing to Vandy. He didn't coach well while blaming youth for the next two years. He didn't coach well with the best roster in '16... and he was so obvious this past year that almost no one was able to continue to deny it.

If Pruitt is the right guy then he'll take the 7 or 8 win roster he's inheriting and win 9 or 10. Great coaches, coach great. They get guys ready to play. They make good decisions. Jones didn't do either of those things very well but people chose to deny or ignore it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If we aren't a 10 win team by year 2, I am afraid it will be a long process.

Pruitt reminds me a lot of Kiffin in terms of "splash recruiting" and the staff he is building.

Kiffin was pretty smart in tailoring his offense to the few strong points of our returning players (rolling pocket passing scheme with Crompton).

I think our offense will be fine under Helton. He had a great offense at USC. I think much like Kiffin, Pruitt is going to work hard himself on the defense.

From a pure X's and O's standpoint, I think Pruitt will be fine as head coach, but also on his side of the ball being defense.

Wow. 10 wins in year 2? Way to go in setting incredible expectations on Pruitt. I think its gonna take 4-5 years. Jones screwed us almost, or worse, than Dooley.

 

[JMSqb11]

Wow. 10 wins in year 2? Way to go in setting incredible expectations on Pruitt. I think its gonna take 4-5 years. Jones screwed us almost, or worse, than Dooley.

Great coaches in the SEC make a jump to double digit wins in year 2. It doesn’t take 4-5 years to rebuild. Butch’s best team was in year 3 and he wet the bed in 2015 and 2016.

I want a great coach. Ten wins in year 2 is always the standard for great coaches in the SEC.

Quit settling for mediocrity bro.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Jones screwed us almost, or worse, than Dooley.

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

It get worse with every telling. Pretty soon, the roster will be filled with walkons.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Great coaches in the SEC make a jump to double digit wins in year 2. It doesn’t take 4-5 years to rebuild. Butch’s best team was in year 3 and he wet the bed in 2015 and 2016.

I want a great coach. Ten wins in year 2 is always the standard for great coaches in the SEC.

Quit settling for mediocrity bro.

Just to get your facts correct my friend I'll help you out.

When nick saTan took over at LSU he followed a coaching staff of good recruiters and took over a roster full of good players so he did NOT ave a ttal rebuild on his hands.

When he took over at Bama it was the exact same situation because the player roster was loaded with really good players.

At the UGA bull frawgs Kirby Smart took over a player roster that has been totally loaded with top talent for many years so he did NOT have a total rebuild either.

Now look at our Tennessee player roster and if you're realistic and honest you'll see some pretty good footVol players scattered around at some positions but that's about it unfortunately.

The sad fact is that many of our starters would be 2nd or 3rd string players at other top programs.

Add in to that is the FACT that we're going to be recruiting totally different types of D players to start moving to a 3-4 D as fast as we can get that move made.

Learning totally new playbooks for both our O and D is going to be daunting enough but it WILL take a few years of excellent recruiting of top recruits to get both our O and D up to top levels and then we still have to have starter level players on 1st and 2nd string pplayers to have the kind of serious depth that all top programs have today.

You've proven every single day on here that you seriously dislike the Pruitt hiring or that you're a Troll but to keep posting total BS about how fast a total rebuild can be accomplished just makes you look like a silly, dumb Troll.

Happy New Year kid.

VFL...GBO!!!

 

[JMSqb11]

Just to get your facts correct my friend I'll help you out.

When nick saTan took over at LSU he followed a coaching staff of good recruiters and took over a roster full of good players so he did NOT ave a ttal rebuild on his hands.

When he took over at Bama it was the exact same situation because the player roster was loaded with really good players.

At the UGA bull frawgs Kirby Smart took over a player roster that has been totally loaded with top talent for many years so he did NOT have a total rebuild either.

Now look at our Tennessee player roster and if you're realistic and honest you'll see some pretty good footVol players scattered around at some positions but that's about it unfortunately.

The sad fact is that many of our starters would be 2nd or 3rd string players at other top programs.

Add in to that is the FACT that we're going to be recruiting totally different types of D players to start moving to a 3-4 D as fast as we can get that move made.

Learning totally new playbooks for both our O and D is going to be daunting enough but it WILL take a few years of excellent recruiting of top recruits to get both our O and D up to top levels and then we still have to have starter level players on 1st and 2nd string pplayers to have the kind of serious depth that all top programs have today.

You've proven every single day on here that you seriously dislike the Pruitt hiring or that you're a Troll but to keep posting total BS about how fast a total rebuild can be accomplished just makes you look like a silly, dumb Troll.

Happy New Year kid.

VFL...GBO!!!

Bama and LSU weren’t “loaded” when Saban took over. Great coaches make a big jump in year 2. We will see with Pruitt. And this isn’t a rebuild st Tennessee. Plenty of talent on the roster. That needs developing. Something Butch didn’t do. A lot of people are discounting the talent on our roster and that’s sad.

And i like the Pruitt hire. Never said i didn’t. Please tell me where i specifically said i didn’t like the hire. You can’t troll. I preferred Tucker because if Pruitt is great here, he’s likely to be Bama’s first pick after Dabo says no. It’s realistic that Pruitt could be here for only 4-5 years as that’s Saban’s window right now.

Tucker and Pruitt were both great options for us. So get your facts straight before you feel the need to insult people.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Great coaches in the SEC make a jump to double digit wins in year 2. It doesn’t take 4-5 years to rebuild. Butch’s best team was in year 3 and he wet the bed in 2015 and 2016.

I want a great coach. Ten wins in year 2 is always the standard for great coaches in the SEC.

Quit settling for mediocrity bro.

Lol. I guess you have just sleepwaled through the Butch Jones era. In my opinion, you are just setting these expectations so that if CJP doesnt win 10, you can say we should have hired Kiffin.

Looking at how CJP is recruiting, its clear that our roster is in bad shape.

So if he doesnt win 10 in 2 years, he isnt a great coach right?

 

[JMSqb11]

Lol. I guess you have just sleepwaled through the Butch Jones era. In my opinion, you are just setting these expectations so that if CJP doesnt win 10, you can say we should have hired Kiffin.

Looking at how CJP is recruiting, its clear that our roster is in bad shape.

So if he doesnt win 10 in 2 years, he isnt a great coach right?

So because he can recruit kids that Butch had no chance at, that’s saying our roster is in horrible shape? Lol okay.

And yes, Great coaches make a big jump from year 1 to 2. It’s not that hard to comprehend. Some of you guys have been befuddled by the Butch years thinking this is a 4-5 year rebuild. Y’all literally don’t understand football

 

[JMSqb11]

Lol. I guess you have just sleepwaled through the Butch Jones era. In my opinion, you are just setting these expectations so that if CJP doesnt win 10, you can say we should have hired Kiffin.

Looking at how CJP is recruiting, its clear that our roster is in bad shape.

So if he doesnt win 10 in 2 years, he isnt a great coach right?

And yes at the time of the Schiano deal and Gundy, Doeren, and others telling us no, Kiffin was the best available hire.

Once it was clear that Phil would be AD, that went out the window and he narrowed in on Pruitt and Tucker.

My preference of the two was always Tucker because of long term tenure being a realistic option. If Pruitt wins here, he has no incentive to stay the minute Saban hangs it up. Pruitt will be using UT as a stepping stone to Bama if Dabo ever turns them down. Can't blame Pruitt at all and I wish him success. I just hope we aren't going down this route in 4-6 years looking for a new coach because he went home.

Next year is going to be a fun year. Especially on offense.