how many years does Butch get? poll

how many years should Coach Jones get?

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#26
#26
4 years is what I voted. Next year I think he needs to be in that 8 win regular season range and vying for top 3 in the Eastern division. 2016 he should be vying for the top spot in the Eastern division. If that's the case, he will be here for a while. If that is not the case and he hovers around the .500 mark, then another coach will probably benefit from his excellent recruiting. I personally believe he will be our coach for a long time, but will he bring us a national championship. I'm not convinced as much as I was when Fulmer took over.
 
#27
#27
I think Butch will be here for a few more years, and he'll get us to a couple of 8 win seasons (including the bowl game), but once that taste sours, he'll get run out of town.
While I do think he's a great guy to get us back to respectable football, I still don't think he's the guy that's going to ever get us back into the business of winning conference championships.
 
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Panthro said:
I think Butch will be here for a few more years, and he'll get us to a couple of 8 win seasons (including the bowl game), but once that taste sours, he'll get run out of town.
While I do think he's a great guy to get us back to respectable football, I still don't think he's the guy that's going to ever get us back into the business of winning conference championships.
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I think CBJ is the kind of recruiter and motivator that can win the SEC, but IMO it will require some significant upgrades to his staff.

Same as Fulmer in his prime. He will be as good as his assistant coaches will allow him to be
 
#29
#29
Next year he has to get 8 wins in the regular season or expect coordinators to leave. He has to get a win over one of our big rivals (UF, UA, UGA) if he expects to stay around. If he doesn't show these improvements then all we have is Muschamp pt 2, a great recruiter and morally upstanding guy, but can't find an SEC caliber offense or consistently win big games.
 
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KBVol said:
So you you've already decided that Hart "bungled" the last hire when he brought in Jones?
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Yes, I have.

Most in the media rated our job opening as the most desirable at the time and we spent more than anyone, save Arkansas. As of now, you would have to conclude that we certainly did not make the best hire (the Malzahn hire was certainly better), and most likely did not even make the 2nd best hire (as Bielema has already accomplished more at Arkansas, shutting out two top 25 teams in recent weeks).

Jones might end up being an above average coach here, but with all the resources available and money spent, it should be expected that our AD makes a hire that is clearly one of the best, and that has certainly not been the case.
 
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#31
#31
My poll with in the poll: How many years does Hart get ?

Given the financial condition of UTAD by outs are radioactive.
 
#34
#34
Im hoping CBJ stays for a long time because I believe the program is headed in the right direction and we'll soon be back to relevance. But with that said, they did fire CPF after winning over 75% of the games he coached in. Im sure all of VN would settle for that % now. :D
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
I light of all the negavol complaining lately, of which i admit to doing some, how long do we think is appropriate for a coach to have to turn the program around? Not sure what benchmark for success should be, SEC Championship? 10 wins or more? Whatever your benchmark is use it to determine the time window.
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Ya can't fix stupid.....
 
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HaywoodVol said:
Im hoping CBJ stays for a long time because I believe the program is headed in the right direction and we'll soon be back to relevance. But with that said, they did fire CPF after winning over 75% of the games he coached in. Im sure all of VN would settle for that % now. :D
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Irrelevant stat is irrelevant.
 
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#37
Why is this a topic now? Is it me or do some of you just so hard headed to believe the UT Football program was broke, broke, broke and it will take more than 3 recuiting classes to build depth. It was painfully obvious that this OL is hurting and playing injured and we don't have depth, it will take 3 really good recuiting classes of 5 OL recuits per class to build and I am not alotting for injuries.......so, do you think these types of threads help? Give CBJ some freakying time to build a program, OMG wake up, this is the SEC, the #1 conference in the nation, produces more NFL players that all the rest, UT needs talent and a lot of it. UT had 1 good recuiting class, IT WILL NOT FIX the PROBLEM.........jeesh!
 
#38
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For those who represent 59% for less than 5........you are dillusional and don't understand todays SEC, look at Alabama, do you really think we have that type of talent right now? Step 1: We have the coaches Step 2: Build depth (3-5 years).

I can't believe how short sighted some of you are, you can't sprinkle pixy dust and make it all better........this is BIG BOY Football.
 
#40
#40
With the way Butch Jones is recruiting, I think he gets as long as it takes. Go back and look at Gary Pinkel's first 5 years at Missouri. They weren't pretty. Once CBJ gets things headed in the right direction, it may take 2-3 more years of 6-7 win seasons to get back into that elite category. That is okay. Our only alternative is to start back at ground zero with another "unproven" HC, which I think is a completely shortsighted proposition. Replacing a guy like Butch Jones would be almost impossible. I say we need to keep doing what we are doing on the recruiting trail and eventually progress will be made on the field. Good things take time and I believe Dave Hart is willing to give Jones that needed time. Whatcha think?
 
#41
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If he is found guilty of trying to bring this team back to championship form, then he will get 10 - 15, with the possibility of parole in year 5.

If he is innocent of trying to bring the team back to championship form, then he should be released immediately.

The wording of your question made it sound like you were talking about a prison sentence.
 
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#43
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Vols_tothe_Wall said:
As long as he wants. Jesus people. Can't you see what you have already done to the program with all the running off coaches.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Running Dooley off was a bad idea. Maybe had we kept him, the program would have had more stability. Just a thought.

You can't be afraid to cut your losses when the coach is not working out. Look at "O Bama"... They hired bad coach after bade coach. DeBous! Price! Shula! but they weren't afraid to cut their losses.

Look at Florida! They hired Zook, cut their losse. Then hired Urban Crier. They they hired Muschamp, again they cut their losses.

Look at the alternative had we not run off those coaches!!!!!
 
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#45
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UNAVol89 said:
If he doesn't show marked improvement next year he'll be gone.

That being said they're showing improvement this season and can get to the postseason with a win over a pathetic Vandy team Saturday, so I think he's going to be here longer. But I voted 3 years because that's the fair amount of time to show progress
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We all knew that the team would show much improvement this season BUT that it would not reflect improvement on the scoreboard.

He is teaching them how to win first.

You see all of these close losses? Well, soon they will be close wins. Imagine what our record would have been if we had won the games from last season and this season that were close losses. UGA (2013) Florida (2013) vandy (2013) Florida (2014) UGA (2014)

IF this team had played the UGA game that was played last season, we would have won it and have lost on the Pig t.d. contriversy.

If this team had played the Florida game last season, we would have won that game.

If this team had played this years UGA game, we would have won it.

If this team had played this years Florida game, we would have won it.
 
#46
#46
I dunno.

Ask Michigan LMAO

Seriously, I think it is pointless to even have this discussion until this time next season and only then if they are looking at similar results for the season.

With the burgeoning Tyndall fiasco, Hart is going to be loathe to make any changes and has to be Jones' biggest fan at the moment.
 
#47
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08Vol said:
Next year he has to get 8 wins in the regular season or expect coordinators to leave. He has to get a win over one of our big rivals (UF, UA, UGA) if he expects to stay around. If he doesn't show these improvements then all we have is Muschamp pt 2, a great recruiter and morally upstanding guy, but can't find an SEC caliber offense or consistently win big games.
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Apples and oranges. The team Muschamp took over was way more loaded with talent than the team Butch took over. How many times in the last 10 years did Florida play for the NC/SECC? How many times did Tennessee? That is a huge difference in the teams they took over. Also how many coaching changes did Florida go over compared to Tennessee? Not even close to the same thing.
 
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sjt18 said:
How many years to do what?

I think that's pretty critical.

If you say how many years does he get to win 8+... I'd say 3. To win the East? 4. To win the SEC/NC? within 6 to win a championship.

The latter part gets more difficult to define or draw a strong opinion on. The early part to me isn't difficult at all. It is all about direction. If he's headed in the right direction then they win at least 8 in 2015 and win some games against teams that matter... breaking the streaks vs UF, Bama, now UGA and Mizzou... would be a great place to start. Ending the era when UT was just a whipping boy for ranked teams would be another good benchmark (and that period goes back into the latter half of the Fulmer era).


IMHO, a losing record in '15 would definitely be justification for a change. If he's only at .500 for his career... then it should be looked at.
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