How many years are we from prominence?

#78
#78
drodvol said:
Agree. Get a Good DC to replace Sal, Keep everyone else in place and we will indeed be prominent in 2013.
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LMAO...Dooley is not staying. We need a HC that can win.

Dooley is NOT that coach.

Recruits are all ready decommitting since Doofus is still employed (Kameron Miles being one)

Cut bait!!!
 
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#82
#82
Well, it took Dooley 3 years to get us a ranking (even though that only lasted 6 days)... A better coach (which there are many out there) will probably take about 2... Say what you want about Dooley, but he did stabilize the program, got talent in here, and we're (mostly) clean. #(&%in Kiffin.

I dunno, I could see a better coach (assuming similar recruiting prowess) making some big waves in less time than what Dooley's had.
 
#84
#84
Looking back if we had a half decent defense we might have at least three SEC wins. But we have issues elsewhere in the kicking Game and some on offense as well. Given that any new HC tends to bring in a all new system and coaches. Any new HC will need to win in his first year to get recruits to come and go from there. Two years would be great with three-four more realistic.
 
#85
#85
it will depend on who the next coach will be,pretty much all the speculation on Dooley will kill this recruiting class,one way or another,i would guess 4 years to 5,to get over another coaching change,as in a lot of players will leave this year,got to get them recruited and coached up,for a new crop of players,with a new coach
 
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#89
look at the bright side. there's more incentive to spend beautiful fall saturdays in the great outdoors.
 
#90
#90
Hey guys, Gator fan here. I don't believe UT is that far off at all.

Lost in all of this "Fire Dooley/Hire Gruden" commotion is the fact that Tennessee would probably beat us by two touchdowns if we played right now. Yes, I'm serious. Everyone knows our offense has regressed over the course of the season and is putrid, but if you've been paying attention our defense is also getting gashed a lot more, as well. The Vols would also beat Mississippi State if they played again and likely South Carolina if it was in Knoxville.

And this brings me to my larger point: To use an analogy, I feel like Dooley has been a surfer that just can't catch a wave. You can be the best surfer in the world, but if there aren't any waves, then you aren't surfing.

When you look back on the programs that have gone on big runs, there is always that one win that ignites everything. For us with Spurrier, it was his 17-13 win at Alabama in 1990. For Richt, you think about his crazy win in Knoxville in 2001 - it was like, "Okay, UGA is a player again in the SEC" and sure enough they would go on to win the conference the following year. For Meyer, he beat LSU at home in 2006 with Gameday in town. Saban at Bama had the win over Clemson to start the 08 season and then the huge win at UGA to ruin their "blackout" a few weeks later - everyone knew Bama was back at that point and would be a contender again.

What I'm saying is that the Vols have been right there, but just couldn't catch a "wave", to continue the analogy. I think about yall's game down in Baton Rouge a couple years ago with the ridiculous ending. The injury to Justin Hunter in The Swamp - as a Gator I have no problem admitting this changed the complexion of that game and it could've been a different outcome if Bray hits some big passes to Hunter early. Even the game against us this year when the ball was right on the finger tips of Patterson down the sideline and would've tied the score. You think about plays like the Clowney sack and strip this year that ruined the ending against USCjr...everything has just gone bad at the worst possible times for the Vols.

How different would it be if you guys played Mississippi St right now after they've been ripped apart by TAMU, Bama, and LSU? Would they have really brought the same energy against UT? What about us? We had to block a kick to eek out the win against Louisiana-Lafayette...it's obvious we aren't the same team we were in September.

I guess what I'm getting at is how much of this "Dooley disaster" is really just timing? I realize it's the coach's job to have the team ready to play at all times, but it feels like UT has just had some awful timing and caught a lot of bad breaks. With that in mind, I don't think it's accurate to say the Vols are years away from ever contending again.

I don't want to ramble on and I'm not trying to be "Mr. Opposing Fan Nice Guy" who comes on a rival's forum to suck up, but let's just be honest here: take your outcome versus Missouri and look at ours. They aren't that different. Mizzou was in the redzone like 7 or 8 times against us and only came away with 1 TD. The following week they go to Knoxville and edge you in overtime. It's obvious what happened: their QB had been injured and is just now regaining his footing. If he had played UT first and then came to The Swamp, the outcomes are probably reversed. Heck, they probably beat us by 10-17 points, at least. Does Vandy beat Mizzou if they are at full strength at home?

Sorry for the long post, but I'm just not seeing that Tennessee is a terrible football team. I'm probably going to get laughed out of the forum for what I'm about to type, but I actually think that, at the end of the day, the Vols are probably the 2nd best team in the East behind UGA (Please note that the Vols played UGA very close in Athens whereas our outcome was actually closer than it should've been considering we had 6 turnovers - we were very fortunate not to lose by 3 or 4 touchdowns if you really watched the game). This is why part of me feels kind of bad for Dooley. It's not my place to say keep him or fire him, but from an outside perspective it just seems like the guy is right there but can't catch the lucky breaks that other coaches caught to start their runs. At the end of the day, if UT feels it's time to move on, then they've got to do what they feel is best. But you hear people say "You are what your record says you are" and I'm not sure that applies to the UT program right now. I feel the Vols are actually better than their record has indicated the last 3 years.

(Thanks for the opportunity to post.)
 
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#91
#91
Post often Gator Chas.

When Meyer beat beat Fulmer & the #3 ranked Vols in 05 with nothing but defense everybody knew right then Urb was gonna win games. We should of been looking for the next Meyer right then.

A winner.


But I promise you if Florida and Tennessee played tomorrow all Florida would have to do is run the ball and they would gash the defense to shreds enough times for the offense to come up a score short.
 
#92
#92
Chas in Boca said:
Hey guys, Gator fan here. I don't believe UT is that far off at all.

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(Thanks for the opportunity to post.)
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Good post. I agree with you. The "wave" you talk about is that signature win that changes the spirit of the team and makes the nation sit up and take notice. It puts the wind in the team's sails. And it is what makes recruits decide to come to your school.

Look at Alabama. They are defending champs, have won more than one NC in the past decade, and were undefeated until last weekend. And look at the recruits that are lining up to play there. As one reporter put it this week, it is "an embarrassment of riches" at running back at Bama. The problem is that kids do not want to build a winning team, they want to join a winning team.

And look at Texas A&M. They had a decent record but were not getting a ton of press before last weekend. But that win over Bama was the moment they caught the wave. Now, they are in the spotlight, on the wave. Their recruiting in the state of Texas just got a huge boost and they will now be a force to consider in the SEC for the next few years.

If Tennessee commits are jumping ship, it is not the campus or the facilities or the coach's personality or the great state of Tennessee that is causing it. It is the fear that the players will not be on a winning team during their college career. Sure, that has a lot to do with coaching, but as you said, Tennessee is not that far off considering how close they have played some top teams. Just one big win and those recruits will believe that we are catching the wave. And when the recruits come, the wave gets bigger.

I think Dool's biggest mistake was hiring Sunseri. A slightly better defense and we would have a couple of Ws and probably one or two over good teams. That would be the start of the wave right there.
 
#93
#93
carolinaviking said:
Good post. I agree with you. The "wave" you talk about is that signature win that changes the spirit of the team and makes the nation sit up and take notice. It puts the wind in the team's sails. And it is what makes recruits decide to come to your school.

Look at Alabama. They are defending champs, have won more than one NC in the past decade, and were undefeated until last weekend. And look at the recruits that are lining up to play there. As one reporter put it this week, it is "an embarrassment of riches" at running back at Bama. The problem is that kids do not want to build a winning team, they want to join a winning team.

And look at Texas A&M. They had a decent record but were not getting a ton of press before last weekend. But that win over Bama was the moment they caught the wave. Now, they are in the spotlight, on the wave. Their recruiting in the state of Texas just got a huge boost and they will now be a force to consider in the SEC for the next few years.

If Tennessee commits are jumping ship, it is not the campus or the facilities or the coach's personality or the great state of Tennessee that is causing it. It is the fear that the players will not be on a winning team during their college career. Sure, that has a lot to do with coaching, but as you said, Tennessee is not that far off considering how close they have played some top teams. Just one big win and those recruits will believe that we are catching the wave. And when the recruits come, the wave gets bigger.

I think Dool's biggest mistake was hiring Sunseri. A slightly better defense and we would have a couple of Ws and probably one or two over good teams. That would be the start of the wave right there.
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Just seems like there is not much feedback or information on how Sal goes about his business. If you consider the season to date, it appears he is just totally in over his head. Most coaches use Xs and Os to diagram plays....seems like he may be using the Greek alphabet.

I still favor hanging with CDD....but with changes to the D side of the ball.
 
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