How many Super Bowls would Peyton have won with a Defense close to this D?

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VolsSportsFan said:
And unless you can provide more than just anecdotal accounts of "playbook stealing" and other accusations, then you've got nothing. Don't give me the "too much smoke to not be fire" crap, because that's not proof.

There is no proof that practices were videotaped either. They were found to videotape coaches during a game 1 time in 2007, which in that case it was where they were doing it, not even the taping itself. I assume you refer to the anecdotal account that the Pats videotaped the Rams during Super Bowl practice, which again, no real evidence has been presented.

Even the Deflategate evidence was deemed "probable"; nothing definite was ever actually proven.

So if you're going to call me a Pats "apologist" then I guess that makes you a Pats "hater" because you choose to believe things as fact that have not been proven as fact.
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Spygate was a fact. Deflategate happened but the reason Brady got off was simple. The NFL violated the collective bargaining agreement as determined by a judge in court.
 
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thebjd said:
Spygate was a fact. Deflategate happened but the reason Brady got off was simple. The NFL violated the collective bargaining agreement as determined by a judge in court.
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There was zero proof of deflate gate being true. So thats just your opinion. If there was such definitive evidence, then Brady would have lost. He was never proven guilty. Its how the legal system works.

As far as spygate read this article: What is Spygate? A Definitive Guide - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating

Spygate was just as stupid as deflategate. The results of both of these ridiculous antics, the NFL big wigs look like complete jokes. But continue to believe the Pats are "cheaters." Just another Manning fan who cannot be objective.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There was zero proof of deflate gate being true. So thats just your opinion. If there was such definitive evidence, then Brady would have lost. He was never proven guilty. Its how the legal system works.

As far as spygate read this article: What is Spygate? A Definitive Guide - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating

Spygate was just as stupid as deflategate. The results of both of these ridiculous antics, the NFL big wigs look like complete jokes. But continue to believe the Pats are "cheaters." Just another Manning fan who cannot be objective.
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I have a better article. Brady was never tried or acquitted. Are you clueless? The judge was reviewing whether the punishment fit the offense based on the CBA. He tried to get the NFL to compromise on the penalty but neither side would budge. Since there was no clear punishment outlined in the CBA for the issue the judge made the decision. Had nothing to do with guilt or innocence of the charge.

ESPN report: Patriots Spygate scandal way worse than people realized - Business Insider
 
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thebjd said:
I have a better article. Brady was never tried or acquitted. Are you clueless? The judge was reviewing whether the punishment fit the offense based on the CBA. He tried to get the NFL to compromise on the penalty but neither side would budge. Since there was no clear punishment outlined in the CBA for the issue the judge made the decision. Had nothing to do with guilt or innocence of the charge.

ESPN report: Patriots Spygate scandal way worse than people realized - Business Insider
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Which means Tom Brady was innocent. Thanks for making my point. Calling it a better article to try and reinforce your bias was cute though :good!:
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Which means Tom Brady was innocent. Thanks for making my point. Calling it a better article to try and reinforce your bias was cute though :good!:
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To say Tom Brady was innocent, sounds like you were a witness to it all. He may have been found not guilty, or just went unpunished for his actions, but innocent probably is a reach.

I wasn't there either, but it don't take a rocket scientist to know it you inflate a ball to the liking of Brady(under inflated)while in a warm and toasty room, then have the refs check them, then take them out into the cold, Brady gets what he wants(under inflated balls). What is missed most of the time is the way Brady spoke with such passion about how he likes his balls, it was a comedy of ball talk on the NFL stage(priceless).

The issue at hand once associated with a cheater, it's real hard to not be thought of as a cheater. It sounds as though the patriots were not sure what the rules were when it comes to video taping opposing teams for a competitive advantage.

I've always liked Brady and if the rule is the balls got to test to 12.5 psi before the game and they did, and nobody let any air out of the balls, and he just let nature do it's thing, then go for it, but it is at least sleezy(to play with balls that are illegal), but not cheating( to make the balls illegal after they have been checked).
 
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I really can't believe people are still talking about football air pressure like it matters at all
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Which means Tom Brady was innocent. Thanks for making my point. Calling it a better article to try and reinforce your bias was cute though :good!:
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No it really doesn't.

The trial was about if the NFL legally had the power/authority to punish Brady the way they did. Not whether he was innocent or guilty, or did or didn't do it.
 
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TrueOrange said:
No it really doesn't.

The trial was about if the NFL legally had the power/authority to punish Brady the way they did. Not whether he was innocent or guilty, or did or didn't do it.
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People are going to believe what they want. I mean some actually believe a ball that may or may not have been properly inflated honestly had something to do with a 45-7 beatdown.

Until Brady is officially proven guilty, then he is innocent. Its how the law works. the NFL wanted things done their way, not the legal way and it failed. But whatever though.
 
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govols105 said:
this defense has go to stop cam newtons running to give peyton any chance at a ring.
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I think Denver's D can. Once they lay a few hits on Cam and stop a few drives, he'll find his spot on the bench and sit with his towel on his head. Once that happens they fall apart. Just look at the Atlanta game they lost. After they laid a few good hits and stopped a few drives, Carolina fell apart.
 
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jhen713 said:
I think Denver's D can. Once they lay a few hits on Cam and stop a few drives, he'll find his spot on the bench and sit with his towel on his head. Once that happens they fall apart. Just look at the Atlanta game they lost. After they laid a few good hits and stopped a few drives, Carolina fell apart.
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This image of Cam "sulking" hasn't happened since 2012. If the Panthers lose, that won't be why.

And "laying a few good hits?" Carolina is arguably the most physical team in the NFL...
 
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VKAman said:
This image of Cam "sulking" hasn't happened since 2012. If the Panthers lose, that won't be why.

And "laying a few good hits?" Carolina is arguably the most physical team in the NFL...
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You obviously didn't watch their 1 loss this year. When Atlanta beat them (and contained and hit Cam for the most part) he pouted for 3qtrs. He wasn't seen smiling on the sidelines, he was on the bench alone with his towel over his head and tucked in his shoulder pads.
 
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I know we are supposed to be Peyton apologists here but if you look at the number of points put up by Peyton led offenses in playoff games they lost, it rarely gets above 20. He has to shoulder a lot of the blame on that. Sure he played with some mediocre defenses but Peyton wasn't exactly killing it in those playoffs either. I'd be more willing to place more blame on the defenses if they were losing 35-42 all the time
 
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jhen713 said:
You obviously didn't watch their 1 loss this year. When Atlanta beat them (and contained and hit Cam for the most part) he pouted for 3qtrs. He wasn't seen smiling on the sidelines, he was on the bench alone with his towel over his head and tucked in his shoulder pads.
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They didn't have the swagger they usually had, but they were by no means pouting and folding as a team. Your suggestion that they're a soft team that folds when they get hit in the mouth is pure wishful thinking.
 
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VKAman said:
They didn't have the swagger they usually had, but they were by no means pouting and folding as a team. Your suggestion that they're a soft team that folds when they get hit in the mouth is pure wishful thinking.
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I have never said they, I was specifically talking about Cam Newton.
 
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