How long should we give Pruitt?

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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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More than one game.
 
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I've been looking at this thread title so many times now in the FF thread list (please, Freak, give us back thread-ignore!), I've gotten to where each time, I just say to myself, "Hell, let's give him to 6:30."
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
They never admit to having offered anyone but whomever it is they eventually hire. As far as people we were interested in who said 'no thanks' you can add Venables and Morris.
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Formally offered is pretty easy to track. Morris was interviewed and passed over by both Currie and Fulmer ftr. And never heard of any contact with Venables.
 
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I actually think that the worse case would be the tease. As soon as you think he has to go, a burst of fortune and optimism brings new support. Instead of turning the corner, we end up hanging out at the corner, in limbo. Or alternate between under achieving years and over achieving years. The best example would be Dooley. If he hadn't of hired Sansuri and gave us the worst defense ever, we may have given Dooley the next season. So, I would rather he have consistent improvement or suck out right. No more football purgatory.
 
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Give any coach some time in contrast I don't want to hear year 0 stuff either. It is going to take some time. Look at the State of the AD in the past 10 years and the coaching changes across the board.

Not only in Football but 3 ADs, 4 FB Coaches, Should be 3 women's BB Coaches, 4 Men's BB Coaches. Baseball Coaches - 4. Add to it all the assistant Coaches and Staffs turnover...

Add to it Pearl, Tyndall fiascoes, one year of Lame, Haslam's influence, player turnover, Botched Coaching search....It is a mess of poor hires and no fixes.

Turnover equals Turmoil. We should be consider a Coaches Grave Year.

We are lucky to have Coaches will to jump in to this Trailer Fire. Barnes, Pruitt.

Give Pruitt and Staff some time and if they do not pan out let them go. However we all know its going to take some time....5th season here is probably judgment day. He may beat that timeline but his 5th Season will tell it.
 
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I like the idea of giving him 10 years. If things start going wrong in year 3 or 4 just ride it out. He’s a winner. He’ll figure it out.
 
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Agree at least 5 years. As many as we gave ole Butch (who couldn't coach a lick or recruit a lick). We are suffering through Butch's pitiful recruiting right now. Proof is in the pudding my friends.
 
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Behr said:
Yea yea yea, all that fact or opinion? We don't know yet if we're in any better shape.

I was one of the Bunch and I had him my number 1 choice. I like Jeremy and hope he ends up being 10 times the coach Chip is or was, but back then I would have chosen him over Pruitt.
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I didn't know what to make of him. I figured having been the hot commodity for a while would've made the recruits flock to him but I also see him as a system guy who really has to have specific player types.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I didn't know what to make of him. I figured having been the hot commodity for a while would've made the recruits flock to him but I also see him as a system guy who really has to have specific player types.
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After Dooley and Butch and knowing our AD, I just thought it would have been awesome.

I could've been wrong, but whatever, Wtf do I know. I like Pruitt and so hope he's the next big thing in college football.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I think it is wrong to put a specific time frame in place. Everyone can tell when a coach is not going to be able to move a program forward. So why try to define a time frame? No need to. He can either do it or not.

I know this, changing coaches every few years just continues to prolong the time the program will be down..
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UT didnt lack patience with Dooley or Jones. More time wasn't fixing bad hires.
 
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BeecherVol said:
UT didnt lack patience with Dooley or Jones. More time wasn't fixing bad hires.
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While that is true, changing every 3 years just leads to constant bad hires. Makes it very hard to hire someone when they know 3 years is the timeline. Unknowns jump at it because they want opportunity but likely doesn't mean they are good. Becomes a never ending cycle.

When the complaints on Fulmer began in 2002 I warned that you end up hiring failures more often than successes once you start replacing longtime coaches.... we are in that cycle..
 
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LWSVOL said:
While that is true, changing every 3 years just leads to constant bad hires. Makes it very hard to hire someone when they know 3 years is the timeline. Unknowns jump at it because they want opportunity but likely doesn't mean they are good. Becomes a never ending cycle.

When the complaints on Fulmer began in 2002 I warned that you end up hiring failures more often than successes once you start replacing longtime coaches.... we are in that cycle..
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And yet Phil made it til 2008 from that point. A longer tenure than anyone they have hired since. It wasn't some quick hook after 1 bad year.

UT has only fired 2 coaches since Fulmer and only one of those after 3 years, and his hiring circumstances were a perfect storm for failure. Jones had 2 decent years considering he was playing the worst east division on record and got 5.

It doesn't take 8 to 10 years to figure out if a guy can coach. Both Jones and Dooley made it evident a lot earlier. Firing them may not equal hiring the next great coach but it does show your not gonna stay hitched to a failure and pray.
 
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Who is "we?" Odds are whenever the next coaching change comes around Fulmer won't be part of that process. who knows about the rest of the relevant UT officials? My way too early guess is that this time the coach leaves UT for greener pastures, probably around year four, but possibly much earlier. Seriously watch Tallahassee or even Nashville.
 
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As long as it takes...the merry-go-round of coaches needs to stop. Give the guy 5-7 yrs to see what happens. Things could turn around quickly, but building a program takes some time. Time to weed out the previous staff players and a good 4-5 recruiting classes. Winning programs have stability.
 
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fulmer and pruitt are tied to the hip. fulmer has a 5 year deal, and will likely see it come due. barring any disasters betweeen now and then, i'd say Pruitt is here at least that long. then we change adminstration again and see what happens.

really a moot point though. these things tend to take care of themselves one way or the other.

i do find it interesting that the narrative, after 1 freaking game, has already changed from "how do we keep Bama from poaching Pruitt?" to "how long before we fire him?"

and people wonder why message boards have a bad name..............lol.
 
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jakez4ut said:
fulmer and pruitt are tied to the hip. fulmer has a 5 year deal, and will likely see it come due. barring any disasters betweeen now and then, i'd say Pruitt is here at least that long. then we change adminstration again and see what happens.

really a moot point though. these things tend to take care of themselves one way or the other.

i do find it interesting that the narrative, after 1 freaking game, has already changed from "how do we keep Bama from poaching Pruitt?" to "how long before we fire him?"

and people wonder why message boards have a bad name..............lol.
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More than likely the case. If you dont know what you have after 5 years you probably dont have what your looking for.

The last 2 guys they fired didnt leave any doubt.
 
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BeecherVol said:
More than likely the case. If you dont know what you have after 5 years you probably dont have what your looking for.

The last 2 guys they fired didnt leave any doubt.
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agreed. and we'll know probalby w/in 3 years. i just don't see fulmer firing him if he gives hime any reason to keep him. go to bowl games, middling around at 6-8 wins etc....and i'm not making predictions here.

jmo.
 
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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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I'd say at least 2 games.
 
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