How long should we give Pruitt?

#326
#326
Really? Do we have so many fans who's lives are defined by a game that we are going to base their week, month and year based upon one game. I absolutely like following CroKev. I follow him because I was there with Coach Simon, I think I know who he is as a former wrestler, but I think he most importantly knows how much it takes to be successful and to get what you want even if you are the last team to compete in the SEC. Yeah, feel free to make fun of wrestling and carry on, but for those of us that were there every day, we paid our price.
 
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#327
If we run a coach away from this dumpster fire we might as well cancel the program. No coach will come here because no coach including Saban could win a NC at UT this year. Or win 10 games or whatever stupid arbitrary number you throw out there with complete disregard for where our program has been and what it is now. We will get better, but not on game 1 against one of the best offenses in the country. It takes time.

Kirby lost to Butch in year 1 and barely went bowling. I bet not one UGA fan was talking about firing him.
Saban lost to UL Monroe, I believe, in year 1 at Bama and he had won a NC with LSU, so he knew what he was doing.

My head could freaking explode.
 
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3 years to have winning season or two losses to Vandy. Which ever comes first.
 
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Year 1 = No expectations, good or bad. Roster is inherited, assistant coaches are new, staffers learning new managers, and most of all players learning new schemes. Very few HCs are successful in their first year. To that end, there should be no talk of Pruitt's shortcomings this season. He's the coaching equivalent of a "true freshman" so everything should be chalked up to learning.
Year 2 = For great coaches, significant improvement is expected. There are several (Richt, Smart, Saban, Chizik, Malzahn, Meyer, etc.) major HCs who all had BIG improvement in their second years. It's practically a thing. Some would say that you're still working with Butch's players, but by now, Pruitt should've molded them into his form and/or brought in guys who can play to his schemes. Players should be "bought in" and improvement is expected. Maybe not National Championship big, but a convincing record moving into a mid-top tier bowl. For me, this will be the difference between Pruitt as a "good" coach and a "great" coach - must have that second year bump.
Year 3 = Sustained success. If I'm not seeing a team competing for AT LEAST an SEC East title, I know this was a bust. By now you've got CJP's recruits as at least sophomores. His schemes and the way he administers his program should be ingrained in the culture. If not?
Year 4 = New coach. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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Only Tennessee fans...... God help us....
 
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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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Really one game into the season and your already asking how many years to give Pruitt. He has alot of Butch Jones players, who went 0-8 in the SEC last year. what do you expect. I see why people make fun of this Tennessee fan base. If i remember right. Saban didn,t win the first two years at Alabama. Boy i wished they fired him after 2 years.
 
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3 years...and by that I mean that we see improvements as time goes on. I think we need to see upticks in several areas. By year 4-5, i would expect to compete for championships. I think he can do it by years 3 and we should definitely be in the mix by then
 
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gr82batnvol said:
3 years...and by that I mean that we see improvements as time goes on. I think we need to see upticks in several areas. By year 4-5, i would expect to compete for championships. I think he can do it by years 3 and we should definitely be in the mix by then
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If we're in the 6-7 win range in year 3, he's not the guy.
 
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gobravesvols16 said:
I don't even want to think about it. If Pruitt isn't the guy then where do you go from here? Another disaster of a coach search? Put an ad on indeed? We will be in the black hole of college football from which nothing escapes
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The haslams pushed first for Shiano then Doeren. Keep them the hell away during coaching searches. Also dont hire a knuckle head AD like Currie.
 
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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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Truth is none of you have any say in how long he is our coach, so why waste the time posting it. Might make you feel better to do so. Maybe you will even gain some pragmatism out of it. This guy needs some real time to build this team. Parody is at an all time high in college football. I even believe alabama is headed for an eventual fall. The team needs your support not a poll on coaching futures.
 
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If Pruitt doesn’t work out, then we become Vandy. Just super excited to be in the SEC.
 
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McDad said:
Im not on the bandwagon but I'll take a stab at it. Isn't the delineation between great coaches and all others year 3? If so, 3 years.
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Agree, regardless of this season or next I hope he gets AT LEAST 3. He is recruiting very well & I sincerely think we will eventually be very good under him, whether that’s year 2, 3 or 4 I don’t know.
 
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#345
Why does everyone keep responding to this post as if it was in regards to the success or failure of the first game. The expectations of the fan base is what's in question.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I cannot even believe I am seeing this thread 60 game minutes into Pruitt' s career at UT. It's the equivalent of the groom checking out the bridesmaids while he is standing at the alter kissing the bride.
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Pre-nups never work and give expectations of eventual failure. BUT.....there is nothing wrong with structuring an incentive based contract to produce a championship over 4 years or you’re gone.
 
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TheOrangeElite said:
Honestly I've seen a lot of different opinions. I'm just curious how many years and why that long. What expectations do you have over these years? We didn't start out great but I do see a lot of positive coming from Pruitt. A lot of characteristics that over time could mold a solid football team. So how long do you give him before you jump off the bandwagon?
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Why not just give him 10 years. Look at what all the changes have gotten us. Look, everybody else is better than they were when we were dominating. It's a level playing field. If we keep changing every 3 or 4 years, then I'm afraid at 53 years old I will never see another great UT team. I think Pruitt is a good ole ball coach. I think he can give us the best chance to succeed. It's interesting that back in the 70's and 80's all you had was the paper and no where to complain but your group of friends. Majors was hired in 77 and it was 1984 before we were a good team. Then came 1985 and then we sunk back to mediocre. Back in 88 we were 0-6! Today, that would have been bye, bye coach, but Johnny wasn't fired and we went on to win our next 5 games. We went 11-1 the next year and that began our era of dominance. Not sure what would have happened had we cut Johnny loose after 88. We suck, we may get a little better and then have a year where everything goes our way and then we backslide. Will we fire our coach then? I say lets stick with what we have. Players like continuity a lot more than fans evidently. I didn't like Butch, but I like this guy because he's just a ball coach. It's going to take time. Hopefully he'll give us an upset here and there and then a championship. However, if we slide back a bit after reaching the top, lets stay with him. We will only do worse and never get any better if we don't stick with someone for a longer period of time. If you can't handle losing, then don't keep such a close eye on things for a while. Be happy when we win and be hopeful when we lose. This is going to be a tough year. Our schedule is horrendous. Who did that to us anyway? I'd hate it if we were great this year because we'd probably go 10-2. No way a great team gets through that mid-season stretch. We'll probably lose them all and then not have the players left to compete with the bottom of our schedule. That's just where we are. It sucks, but I'm willing to wait. I know most aren't, but if you're not, then you will never see a winner on that field. Harbough can't win, I betcha Jimbo isn't successful either. Big time coaches in this conference are not even worth it until Saban hangs it up. That's the real problem, and you old salts think we should keep playing them when they used to be the only really tough team we played. I'd rather play them in Atlanta than have them cost us the trip. If we ever beat them they'll most likely get their revenge on us in Atlanta. I'd rather play them every first Saturday in December than every 3rd Saturday in October. At least we'd have a lot better chance of making it to that game if we drop them from the annual schedule. Never gonna happen though, so until Saban is gone, or smarter minds prevail and we drop them, don't gripe about losing to USC east and Vandy and Kentucky because we lost half our team to injury playing them!
 
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