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#27
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Volfan76 said:
Very little...some fans will eat whatever is put in front of them. Sadly, at this point the fans are the only hope.
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I'll chime in.
Couple of random thoughts:

I thought be bar was set to the lowest point when Brady Hoke was head coach during the LSU game where the storm came through. He didn't want to be there and the team didn't want to be there. I'm a season ticket holder, why do I want to be there when the team doesn't??? We've had many games since then where the team just doesn't "Give their all" and "Take the fight to them for 60 minutes". So the bar is lower now than it was then. It won't take much to make this fanbase feel like we've upgraded.

We need victories over Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Not once a decade, but a couple in a row. Say what you want about Fulmer, but he had a damn good streak against the Tide. Remember that victory at Jorden Hare two trips ago? That was really the only win we've had that mattered in Pruitt's tenure. Georgia state wasn't a fluke.

A proven head coach seems to be the answer, but I would say coaching isn't like launching a space shuttle. We've had used car salesmen with Dooley, Jones and Pruitt. I think the key is to get someone who has enough smarts to surround himself with decent assistants. And to push back when the boosters and admin try and push something down his throat. That was one of the reasons Saban did well at Alabama. He pushed back on Bear Bryant Junior, and all the Bear lettermen that wanted to backseat drive in the program. Pretty much sent the message - mention how Bear did it, and you are shown the door. Yes, the new guy needs to have a set.

So Volfan76.. I agree. I will eat what is put in front of me. As long as the coach can get effort out of the team, I'm ok. As much as I hate Bama, I have to admit - watching them in the playoffs gave me this thought: "Wow, look - a team whose receivers can get open, running backs that don't fall down on first contact, a QB that can hit more than the broad side of a barn, few dumb penalties, a DL that actually puts pressure on a QB". Wouldn't it be nice to see that again?

I'm on board if I see that, but if another Georgia State fiasco happens - I guess there are better things to do in East Tennessee on a Fall day when the leaves are turning and frost on the pumpkin.

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Doubt he's remotely interested but Gus would be the safest hire. He's clean, knows the SEC and can make us respectable in a short amount of time.

If I'm the new AD I'd probably go for the sure double rather than trying to hit a homer and risk striking out.
 
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ptcarter said:
I'll chime in.
Couple of random thoughts:

I thought be bar was set to the lowest point when Brady Hoke was head coach during the LSU game where the storm came through. He didn't want to be there and the team didn't want to be there. I'm a season ticket holder, why do I want to be there when the team doesn't. We've had many games since then where the team just doesn't "Give their all" and "Take the fight to them for 60 minutes". So the bar is lower now than it was then. It won't take much to make this fanbase feel like we've upgraded.

We need victories over Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Not once a decade, but a couple in a row. Say what you want about Fulmer, but he had a damn good streak against the Tide. Remember that victory at Jorden Hare two trips ago? That was really the only win we've had that mattered in Pruitt's tenure. Georgia state wasn't a fluke.

A proven head coach seems to be the answer, but I would say coaching isn't like launching a space shuttle. We've had used car salesmen with Dooley, Jones and Pruitt. I think the key is to get someone who has enough smarts to surround himself with decent assistants. And to push back when the boosters and admin try and push something down his throat. That was one of the reasons Saban did well at Alabama. He pushed back on Bear Bryant Junior, and all the Bear lettermen that wanted to backseat drive in the program. Pretty much sent the message - mention how Bear did it, and you are shown the door. Yes, the new guy needs to have a set.

So Volfan76.. I agree. I will eat what is put in front of me. As long as the coach can get effort out of the team, I'm ok. As much as I hate Bama, I have to admit - watching them in the playoffs gave me this thought: "Wow, look - a team whose receivers can get open, running backs that don't fall down on first contact, a QB that can hit more than the broad side of a barn, few dumb penalties, a DL that actually puts pressure on a QB". Wouldn't it be nice to see that again.

I'm on board if I see that, but if another Georgia State fiasco happens - I guess there are better things to do in East Tennessee on a Fall day when the leaves are turning and frost on the pumpkin.

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Looks like the clinch where my brother and I fish in the spring & summer.
 
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The administration already knows what the fans think. I don't know why people think folks at the school don't know what "the fans think." As if being employees means they aren't fans themselves, or don't have friends and family who are also fans or school supporters. As if they don't have staff dedicated to surveying the fans, and dedicated staff for the big time donors. People on the board can pop in and out on this crap whenever they feel like - the people working in the AD have to live it 24/7/365. The people at Tennessee's AD have to work in front of entire TV networks dedicated to analyzing and attacking every mistake they make. They know.
 
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Volfan76 said:
fan base makes our voice heard? After watching that joke of a press conference yesterday where everyone talks about integrity and makes poor attempts at damage control, I couldn't help but have an overwhelming sense of deja vu. The investment and accountability of the UT administration has been so underwhelming for so long it has become expected. Does anyone have ANY confidence in this administration to make the right hiring decisions after seeing this play out? The UT President looked like a 5th grader reading the speach his mom wrote for him while he was fast asleep the night before. Anyone invigorated with confidence in Plowman to do any better that Davenport after watching that PC snorefest? How long before the collective fanbase says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"?? We've watched power donors make wrong move after wrong move and administration after administration operate with zero accountability for 15 years now. How long before we say no more money until you get it right? One more failed AD and coach? 2 more? 3 more? We all know where this is headed and it's the same exact place we've been. We made our voices heard with Schiano and have seen what our collective voice can do. How long before we make it heard BEFORE we are spoonfed another load of the same garbage??
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Give it a rest, just for a moment.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Doubt he's remotely interested but Gus would be the safest hire. He's clean, knows the SEC and can make us respectable in a short amount of time.

If I'm the new AD I'd probably go for the sure double rather than trying to hit a homer and risk striking out.
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I think that a safe hire right now, if they don't energize the fanbase, is a loss.

Kiffin was the last coach we hired that the fans actually wanted when he was hired. Now, our sheep jump on board as soon as someone is the coach, but when we hired Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt people were either negative from the beginning or very skeptical.

If they hire a guy that people want and he fails, that's acceptable. Also, with Steele running the show right now, I think Gus is almost a non-starter.
 
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Backwards K said:
Never saw anyone come off looking more like a lightweight than Randy Boyd. Further, if you let the Academic world run the Athletic Dept, your high end goal is mediocrity. There are a lot of things working against the program at this point including:
--The people running it
--The boosters who got us in this mess
--The sanctions and penalties that are coming
--The one time, no penalty transfer portal rule that is coming

If the University doesn't move quickly and decisively, the program as we know it will be doomed for at least a decade. They have to spend the money to get a proven coach and with the situation at hand, it will take a long term deal for a lot of money......a whole lot of money. Hiring Kevin Steele or someone like him to be the HC, would be worse than the death penalty for the program.

And none of us expect any of this to come out well........but, they will have another press conference and tell us how great this is gonna be coming forward and keep those checks coming in.
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This applies to pretty much anything based in reality that requires tangible/measurable results.
 
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I hate to go here, but ...

Imagine if people cared as much @ what these bureaucrats are doing to education and government, as they do @ what they do the the football program? Our governments and educational systems have been marinating in corruption for decades on end. And it ain't gonna end well.

... sorry, returning back the collective sports rage now.
 
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Volfan76 said:
fan base makes our voice heard? After watching that joke of a press conference yesterday where everyone talks about integrity and makes poor attempts at damage control, I couldn't help but have an overwhelming sense of deja vu. The investment and accountability of the UT administration has been so underwhelming for so long it has become expected. Does anyone have ANY confidence in this administration to make the right hiring decisions after seeing this play out? The UT President looked like a 5th grader reading the speach his mom wrote for him while he was fast asleep the night before. Anyone invigorated with confidence in Plowman to do any better that Davenport after watching that PC snorefest? How long before the collective fanbase says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"?? We've watched power donors make wrong move after wrong move and administration after administration operate with zero accountability for 15 years now. How long before we say no more money until you get it right? One more failed AD and coach? 2 more? 3 more? We all know where this is headed and it's the same exact place we've been. We made our voices heard with Schiano and have seen what our collective voice can do. How long before we make it heard BEFORE we are spoonfed another load of the same garbage??
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You do realize VolNation is responsible for all hiring, firing, and recruiting decisions the university makes, don't you?
 
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ftsandersvol said:
You do realize VolNation is responsible for all hiring, firing, and recruiting decisions the university makes, don't you?
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You do realize that there is a magic money pit that all the money for UT football comes from, don't you?
 
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livefaith said:
I hate to go here, but ...

Imagine if people cared as much @ what these bureaucrats are doing to education and government, as they do @ what they do the the football program? Our governments and educational systems have been marinating in corruption for decades on end. And it ain't gonna end well.

... sorry, returning back the collective sports rage now.
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You make a very good point...there are more important things we should be worried about and spending our time on.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Allowing fans to alter decisions usually turns out bad for an organization. Yes, the idiots' voices were heard on Schiano and look how it has turned out.

1/2 of our fan base are dumbasses
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I usually agree with your posts, however you may be giving more credit than is deserved.
 
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#42
Based on comments here (and other boards) over the years Iā€™d say the the voice of the fans covers a very broad spectrum with some really bad ideas. Letā€™s take the time to hire a quality AD and let him take the time needed to replace interim head coach Steele.
 
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Volfan76 said:
How long before the collective fanbase says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"??
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I tried it your way and I've been screaming "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" to the football gods for the last 5 minutes. My coworkers started looking at me strangely and now, no one will approach me. This was a bad idea.

Volfan76 said:
How long before we say no more money until you get it right?
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So to fix a problem that is going to require over $10m, your suggestion is to cut off the money supply? Seriously? This is your "grand plan"? This reaction guarantees failure and a bargain-basement hire.

Volfan76 said:
We made our voices heard with Schiano and have seen what our collective voice can do. How long before we make it heard BEFORE we are spoonfed another load of the same garbage??
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How did that turn out for us? Maybe part of the problem is in the mirror. Maybe "the collective" as you put it needs to shut it. Think about the losers the collective has elected to public office for the last 30 years. This is the pool of people you want planning the future of UT Football? Not me.

Maybe we need to take a step back and reflect. We are in bad shape and it may take 7+ years for even a good coach to turn this around. There are about 6 or so good, realistic HC options out there right now. We need to get one of them to say "yes". It may take a 10-year unconventional deal to get it done but I think we have to do it or we will just end up with another Pruitt ... or worse. So once we get a good coach we need to give him time --- at least 4 years with no expectations, then gradual progress from there.
 
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Border Vol said:
At least candidates who have had NCAA difficulties wont be considered. UT can't afford to hire anyone right now those who have had problems with the NCAA.
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Omg dude your avataršŸ˜‚ i dont know rather to laugh my butt off or throw my phone lol
 
#47
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Backwards K said:
Never saw anyone come off looking more like a lightweight than Randy Boyd. Further, if you let the Academic world run the Athletic Dept, your high end goal is mediocrity. There are a lot of things working against the program at this point including:
--The people running it
--The boosters who got us in this mess
--The sanctions and penalties that are coming
--The one time, no penalty transfer portal rule that is coming

If the University doesn't move quickly and decisively, the program as we know it will be doomed for at least a decade. They have to spend the money to get a proven coach and with the situation at hand, it will take a long term deal for a lot of money......a whole lot of money. Hiring Kevin Steele or someone like him to be the HC, would be worse than the death penalty for the program.

And none of us expect any of this to come out well........but, they will have another press conference and tell us how great this is gonna be coming forward and keep those checks coming in.
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I agree with a lot of what you say. However I do not agree that getting a "proven" coach will prevent the spiral. It's speculation and long term deals are dangerous IMO. History isn't on our side much less with those of others.

Doomed for a decade, unfortunately, could be the fate regardless of hire.
 
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ptcarter said:
I'll chime in.
Couple of random thoughts:

I thought be bar was set to the lowest point when Brady Hoke was head coach during the LSU game where the storm came through. He didn't want to be there and the team didn't want to be there. I'm a season ticket holder, why do I want to be there when the team doesn't??? We've had many games since then where the team just doesn't "Give their all" and "Take the fight to them for 60 minutes". So the bar is lower now than it was then. It won't take much to make this fanbase feel like we've upgraded.

We need victories over Alabama, Georgia and Florida. Not once a decade, but a couple in a row. Say what you want about Fulmer, but he had a damn good streak against the Tide. Remember that victory at Jorden Hare two trips ago? That was really the only win we've had that mattered in Pruitt's tenure. Georgia state wasn't a fluke.

A proven head coach seems to be the answer, but I would say coaching isn't like launching a space shuttle. We've had used car salesmen with Dooley, Jones and Pruitt. I think the key is to get someone who has enough smarts to surround himself with decent assistants. And to push back when the boosters and admin try and push something down his throat. That was one of the reasons Saban did well at Alabama. He pushed back on Bear Bryant Junior, and all the Bear lettermen that wanted to backseat drive in the program. Pretty much sent the message - mention how Bear did it, and you are shown the door. Yes, the new guy needs to have a set.

So Volfan76.. I agree. I will eat what is put in front of me. As long as the coach can get effort out of the team, I'm ok. As much as I hate Bama, I have to admit - watching them in the playoffs gave me this thought: "Wow, look - a team whose receivers can get open, running backs that don't fall down on first contact, a QB that can hit more than the broad side of a barn, few dumb penalties, a DL that actually puts pressure on a QB". Wouldn't it be nice to see that again?

I'm on board if I see that, but if another Georgia State fiasco happens - I guess there are better things to do in East Tennessee on a Fall day when the leaves are turning and frost on the pumpkin.

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very well said...and i think might be a trout stream that brought my dad back to east tennessee
 
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Volfan76 said:
fan base makes our voice heard? After watching that joke of a press conference yesterday where everyone talks about integrity and makes poor attempts at damage control, I couldn't help but have an overwhelming sense of deja vu. The investment and accountability of the UT administration has been so underwhelming for so long it has become expected. Does anyone have ANY confidence in this administration to make the right hiring decisions after seeing this play out? The UT President looked like a 5th grader reading the speach his mom wrote for him while he was fast asleep the night before. Anyone invigorated with confidence in Plowman to do any better that Davenport after watching that PC snorefest? How long before the collective fanbase says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"?? We've watched power donors make wrong move after wrong move and administration after administration operate with zero accountability for 15 years now. How long before we say no more money until you get it right? One more failed AD and coach? 2 more? 3 more? We all know where this is headed and it's the same exact place we've been. We made our voices heard with Schiano and have seen what our collective voice can do. How long before we make it heard BEFORE we are spoonfed another load of the same garbage??
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Gonna have to disagree with you, I thought Donde did well in the presser. Seems like she got a lot of love on Twitter too.

And what are you talking about the administration doesnā€™t take accountability. John Currie was let go, and Fulmer had to ā€œretireā€.

And in terms of listening to the fans, Hell they hired Currie because we were clamoring for someone with UT ties(I know we wanted Blackburn but given his track record doesnā€™t look like he wouldā€™ve been a smart decision anyway). Maybe the problem is that we donā€™t know what the hell weā€™re talking about, who knows.

All I know is that for the past few decade, the power T has been a shitshow. Yes that included the administration, coaches, players, but that also includes the fans as well. Maybe we need to start doing things different as well
 
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#50
I have ZERO faith in the UT admin. They have proven to all of us time and again how bad they are at their jobs.

They are going to find a way to screw this up even worse than it already is.
 
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