How In the World....

#51
#51
He's a great coach and recruiter and I think the opportunity to coach at the University of Tennessee was an additional incentive for him to get fired up about what he does......Lets try to remember this when he has an off year in the future.
 
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runthrutheT said:
Credit to the guy who fumbled the hire of strong and wanted Gundy? CBJ came in and took what was his. Hart is not the one deaerving credit
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Hart got him to the hill. Remember Hamilton could have had Butch's good buddy Brian Kelly but went with Dooley instead. I give Hart credit for not being a total idiot
 
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UNAVol89 said:
Hart got him to the hill. Remember Hamilton could have had Butch's good buddy Brian Kelly but went with Dooley instead. I give Hart credit for not being a total idiot
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To be fair (to the worst AD in UT history), Hamilton couldn't have gotten Kelly the year he hired Dooley. Kelly had already signed with Notre Dame. He could have probably gotten Malzahn or Sumlin instead of Dooley, but it's probably better for all of our psyches if we don't think too much about it.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
He also made a 4 game jump in wins in year 2 after taking over a program that was as much of a dumpster fire as UT.

I'd say they are both on pretty even footing at this point and both are looking up still at the Sabans and Meyers of the college game.
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beg to differ sir...while I think CBB is a very good coach, Arkansas was 1 year removed from an 11 win season when he arrived. While Smith appeared to be a near idiot....Bobby P had the Hogs in contention before his zipper got the best of him.

UT's situation was not the same when Jones came on board.
 
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JC61 said:
beg to differ sir...while I think CBB is a very good coach, Arkansas was 1 year removed from an 11 win season when he arrived. While Smith appeared to be a near idiot....Bobby P had the Hogs in contention before his zipper got the best of him.

UT's situation was not the same when Jones came on board.
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Right, Jones inherited a 5-7 team. Bielema inherited a 4-8 team. Why do you want to pretend what happened 2 years before mattered, but what happened the year before doesn't. Arkansas was in total disarray when Bielema came there. He was their third coach in two years. He didn't inherit any big playmakers from the Petrino days. He didn't inherit recruits ranked as high as what Jones inherited. Jones inherited 13 4-star starters his 1st year. Bielema didn't inherit anything like that.

No two situations are the exact same, but to pretend that Jones had it so much worse than any other new coach trying to rebuild a program in the SEC in recent years is an absolute fantasy.
 
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Jacksonvol said:
..could the entirety of college football not have noticed Butch Jones' abilities...I've been an orange-blooded Vol for much longer than I'd like to admit and I've been wondering for the last couple of years how anyone with the recruiting ability of Butch and with his won-lost records could have not been at the top of so many "elite" teams in their searches prior to his coming here...As we all know, he has to be one of the top recruiters, if not the top one, in the entire country. It just seems that some of those people would have noticed his recruiting quality people [albeit not 4* and up] at CMU and Cincinnati and would have jumped at the opportunity to hire him....I'm obviously glad that that didn't happen and am gloating about what he's doing here [especially as I watch Vandy fans suffer at what is happening] though I still don't understand....
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I am just soooo glad that the football Gods shined upon U.T. We dodged a serious bullet when Muschamp said he was not interested in U.T. Imagine if we had hired him!!!

In the last cycle, we could have very well had Kevin Sumlin or Will Muschamp as our head coach.
 
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oregonvol said:
Right, Jones inherited a 5-7 team. Bielema inherited a 4-8 team. Why do you want to pretend what happened 2 years before mattered, but what happened the year before doesn't. Arkansas was in total disarray when Bielema came there. He was their third coach in two years. He didn't inherit any big playmakers from the Petrino days. He didn't inherit recruits ranked as high as what Jones inherited. Jones inherited 13 4-star starters his 1st year. Bielema didn't inherit anything like that.

No two situations are the exact same, but to pretend that Jones had it so much worse than any other new coach trying to rebuild a program in the SEC in recent years is an absolute fantasy.
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I agree with the last statement - All speculation of course, but to think that Petrino wouldn't have done better than 4-8 is a stretch....Smith was just that bad.

I do not necessarily "defend" Jones and the mess he inherited...some coaches have had it worse and other not so much. From a cultural standpoint and the number of years of mediocrity ingrained in a lot of the players I'd say it was a little tougher than most. He's done well to turn that aspect around.

There are a lot of good coaches out there...My opinion on various coach comparison differs from yours...I accept that, but won't necessarily shy away from debating when I don't think the comparison is projected with all the "other" facts that are so easily dismissed.

I'm just not ready to accept they are better than ours and the facts tend to support that. In saying this, I do believe the team is more than capable of 8 reg season wins this year. While a lot could happen to derail or improve on that, how they win or lose will further develop my overall opinion on the coaching staff.
 
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fade route said:
OP needs to tap the brakes a bit. Butch is still only one game better than Dooley at the same point in their UT careers, but all signs moving forward are positive.
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Exactly, long time Vol fan's want to see wins and at least an SEC east championship, before crowning Jones as the savior of Tennessee football
 
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oregonvol said:
To be fair (to the worst AD in UT history), Hamilton couldn't have gotten Kelly the year he hired Dooley. Kelly had already signed with Notre Dame. He could have probably gotten Malzahn or Sumlin instead of Dooley, but it's probably better for all of our psyches if we don't think too much about it.
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My mistake, could have had Kelly when he hired Kiffin
 
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If you look at Saban's early career at Michigan State it wasn't exactly "world shaking"...however he gets the LSU job and 3 years later wins the NC. He suddenly becomes a championship caliber coach because he landed in a great conference in a talent rich recruiting area. Then he does the same thing at Bama. For those of you who point to Butch's career winning percentage just remember where he was coaching and the limitations on the talent he could recruit. The game has changed for him now...he is sitting in a place where recruits will come...now lets just sit back and watch this whole wonderful, magical scenario play out.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
Hart got him to the hill. Remember Hamilton could have had Butch's good buddy Brian Kelly but went with Dooley instead. I give Hart credit for not being a total idiot
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There's no way in Hell we could've gotten Kelly. He had already taken the ND job a full month before the UT job opened.

We should've just let Kippy Brown be interim coach for 2010 and then done a proper job search at the end of that season.
 
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