How important is coaching? Seriously.

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jimmies and joes sound like a girl to me! You all can talk all you want about coaching staffs but, a winner is a winner and if Dooley figures it out then we have one. Isn't that what this whole process is about! Wait and see.
 
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sfmcfar said:
Long time lurker, occasional poster, first thread. Thanks for having me.

So my question is serious. Les Miles has never had a great coaching reputation, yet his team is playing for the national championship. Is it conceivable that Dooley might eventually have enough success at recruiting to where any perceived lack of coaching skills might not matter?
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I'll give you one example of why coaching matters. Question: In your mind, who is a better coach - Bobby Petrino or Houston Nutt? It's not even close and everyone who's watched a down of football knows it's Bobby P. Yet Nutt preceded Petrino at Arkansas and had the same if not higher ranked recruiting classes yet look at the difference Petrino makes. The right leader means EVERYTHING. Hard to believe that Nutt had Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, and Peyton Hillis in the same backfield for 3 years and coouldn't win the SEC. Yeah, coaching matters
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think it's more of a matter of over-coaching players, versus giving them just enough to go with their skill set to make them really effective. I think we've seen a lot of over coaching by the current staff, especially given how young the roster is.
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I think its the other way. I think the staff let's the players use their creativity and expects them to make something happen. We seen it especially against Ky with the offense. Poor play calling, was just trying to throw the ball 20+ yards and hoped a receiver would come down with it. Kinda like the jump balls with Hunter.

Coaching matters a ton! It don't matter how good the players are on the field if the coaches can't call the right plays at the right time. Not to mention other things like teaching technique etc
 
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Coastypop said:
A good example of this is Cutclif... when he was at Tennessee and had a QB named Manning as well as when he was Ole Miss he became a pretty decent coach, but at Duke when he has to compete with USCjr and Clemson for Talent (as well as schools outside of SC) he is not so hot........ JMHO
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This. So much, this. As a lifetime vol fan, it always upsets me to see people raving over David Cutcliffe. He was a mediocre coach who was smart enough to follow the talent.

On that note, talent is absolutely more important than coaching. For proof look at: Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz, Bobby Petrino, Pete Carroll.

The NFL is based on talent somewhat, but every player there is one of the best at what they do. Every team runs about the same play book as the others and winning in the NFL comes down to scheming and coaching. Obviously the coaches mentioned above can recruit teenagers and motivate teenagers, but they can't scheme plays for "adults" who are the best of the best.
 
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so much hate for CPF and CDD. Wonder if any coach would be liked here or if it will always be 'the next guy"? I enjoyed spending my youth watching Majors & Fulmer. Those were the 'good old days' now. Hopefully next year starts the next round of 'good old days'..
 
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Coaching is very important. High school players can be good in high school, but developing them is very important as most are not ready for college. Teams with good coaches have their teams prepared, call the right plays, and usually teach them things to become better than the average player. Yes, sometimes a bad coach can do alright with good recruiting, but usually those teams don't win championships. They usually bounce around the 7-9 win range. Let's not forget though, that coaches generally can't recruit well without winning, so ultimately a good coach is very important.
 
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Coaching in college boils down to how you best use your talent. You need to put your best players in a position to do what they're best at. That said, if your talent isn't good enough it might not matter if they're in the right position, they still might not get it done. Of course Boise State may beg to differ.
 
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Coastypop said:
His coaching during a game leaves some questions, but your statement about recruiting is absurd
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hes had at least one full season worth of recruiting under him and we are sitting at the worst sec season record ever..i havent heard about anybody he is recruiting that has seemed anything special to me. we could just get the guy in the smokey outfit to stand on the sideline and watch us lose and save 3-4 million a year since good coaching "really doesn't matter"
 
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Having better talent than the guy should always make you look like a genius. But I don't see DD EVER out-recruiting LSU, BAMA OR UF and that will be his downfall not his Xs & Os.
 
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IngloriousBastard said:
Coaching is very important. High school players can be good in high school, but developing them is very important as most are not ready for college. Teams with good coaches have their teams prepared, call the right plays, and usually teach them things to become better than the average player. Yes, sometimes a bad coach can do alright with good recruiting, but usually those teams don't win championships. They usually bounce around the 7-9 win range. Let's not forget though, that coaches generally can't recruit well without winning, so ultimately a good coach is very important.
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developing players is key.
 
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Mr.Fister said:
hes had at least one full season worth of recruiting under him and we are sitting at the worst sec season record ever..i havent heard about anybody he is recruiting that has seemed anything special to me. we could just get the guy in the smokey outfit to stand on the sideline and watch us lose and save 3-4 million a year since good coaching "really doesn't matter"
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I am guessing you don't spend any time in the recruiting forum do you?... I think he has 5 4*, 9 3*, and 2 2*s --- we are 15 on scout and from all reports will get commitments from all 3 amigio's soon...

Strong if you ask me...again JMHO

ALSO= I said coaching matters especially in developing players, but it is more about Jimmy and Joes ... so don't try to put words in my mouth
 
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Once again, Dooley doesn't really coach, he just keeps them motivated (sorta) and gives them a positive attitude (sorta)
 
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Mr.Fister said:
hes had at least one full season worth of recruiting under him and we are sitting at the worst sec season record ever..i havent heard about anybody he is recruiting that has seemed anything special to me. we could just get the guy in the smokey outfit to stand on the sideline and watch us lose and save 3-4 million a year since good coaching "really doesn't matter"
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1 season, annnd we played something like 22/24 freshmen recruits, and 3/3 JUCOs. Either it was good evaluating talent or our upper classmen suck that bad.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
My thoughts have always been, if you're a great recruiter and a decent coach you can win. A lot of "great" coaches fell into good spots, Dooley fell into s**t. He's a good recruiter and in year 3 with a healthy roster, thats when we'll have a right to judge him.
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yes!yes!yes!:peace2::peace2::peace2:
 
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sfmcfar said:
Long time lurker, occasional poster, first thread. Thanks for having me.

So my question is serious. Les Miles has never had a great coaching reputation, yet his team is playing for the national championship. Is it conceivable that Dooley might eventually have enough success at recruiting to where any perceived lack of coaching skills might not matter?
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Two very evenly matched teams talent wise are often only separated by coaching.
 
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The boss signs off on what the managers (coordinators) and he decide is the best way to do things. To think that Les Miles doesn't fully understand and know what his coordinators are doing is ludicrous.
 
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I'll say this about Miles. He may not be the best x's and o's guy out there, but he does develop and get the most out of his players. Their depth is sick and the scary thing is that they should be better next year.
 
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sfmcfar said:
Long time lurker, occasional poster, first thread. Thanks for having me.

So my question is serious. Les Miles has never had a great coaching reputation, yet his team is playing for the national championship. Is it conceivable that Dooley might eventually have enough success at recruiting to where any perceived lack of coaching skills might not matter?
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More and more HC are managers. Delegating authority is a key... evaluating coach hires... evaluating recruits, etc.

Recruiting is important but stars are not necessarily important... if stars were the only thing that matter USC and Georgia would have won every NC since 2002.

Coaching is also developing players, Claiborne was the #58 WR coming out of HS, Brad Wing's only major offer was LSU, TM had no offers before Les signed him, Bennie Logan had no SEC offers, etc. LSU has this depth not only because of good recruiting but also developing players. Any other team other than LSU and Bama would have thrown Mingo in as a true freshman and watched him get run over... you have to developer some players.

Les's only real problem was hiring Crowton and then not firing him quick enough.

Les is not the best X and Os guy, I agree there, but overall you are not going to find a better guy to play for.... and to be honest he is #1 at calling trick plays, timely 4th down calls, etc.

LSU and Bama are playing old-school football, everyone else went the Florida spread route, gimmicks last for a few year but eventually it always comes around to defense and running the ball.
 
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