How important is coaching? Seriously.

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Long time lurker, occasional poster, first thread. Thanks for having me.

So my question is serious. Les Miles has never had a great coaching reputation, yet his team is playing for the national championship. Is it conceivable that Dooley might eventually have enough success at recruiting to where any perceived lack of coaching skills might not matter?
 
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I think it's more of a matter of over-coaching players, versus giving them just enough to go with their skill set to make them really effective. I think we've seen a lot of over coaching by the current staff, especially given how young the roster is.
 
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Talent does mask bad in game coaching to a certain extent. However, coaching is paramount in development of that talent.
 
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no offense, but I personally find it funny that your avatar is an angry bird when you said that.

We'll see what happens with Dooley's coaching. All we can really do is wait and see what develops.
 
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Les Milea doesn't call plays. He is a great motivator, the players love him, and the play hard for him. As opposed to this team, which quit on a weekly basis and didn't bother starting vs Kentucky.

To answer your question, playcalling and coaching is significant in football. 49ers went from less than spectacular to pretty dang good with essentially the same roster.
 
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Pretty important. We'd be a better team with better coaches. My underwear > Dooley as far as coaching ability goes
 
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My thoughts have always been, if you're a great recruiter and a decent coach you can win. A lot of "great" coaches fell into good spots, Dooley fell into s**t. He's a good recruiter and in year 3 with a healthy roster, thats when we'll have a right to judge him.
 
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Interesting comments. I live in the DC area now and John Riggins said not too long ago that play calling was overrated. He said that if you call a draw play on 3rd and 5 and get a first down you're a brilliant play caller, and if you lose two yards you're a horrible play caller. :)
 
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It's much easier for an average coach to win with a great roster than it is for a great coach to win with an average roster. JMO
 
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UTVOL02 said:
It's much easier for an average coach to win with a great roster than it is for a great coach to win with an average roster. JMO
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I agree with this

There are those few coaches who are just truly amazing though. Bear Bryant for example:

He won a SEC Championship at Kentucky. Nuff said.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
It's much easier for an average coach to win with a great roster than it is for a great coach to win with an average roster. JMO
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CPF was an average coach at best. he was a great recruiter though and it won a title for us. I think a great recruiter is better than a great Coach.
 
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sfmcfar said:
Long time lurker, occasional poster, first thread. Thanks for having me.

So my question is serious. Les Miles has never had a great coaching reputation, yet his team is playing for the national championship. Is it conceivable that Dooley might eventually have enough success at recruiting to where any perceived lack of coaching skills might not matter?
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Did you see our punter and place kicker this year. Our running game. We have no coach for kickers or running backs. So i think it is very important for us. :whistling:
 
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Fulmer out talented other coaches minus Spurrier through the 90's so yes it can be done.
 
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In defense of Les Miles, he hasn't derped himself this year like he has the past few years.
 
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I think the skills required in the college game are in order:

1. Recruiting
2. Motivation
3. Scheme
4. Coaching by the Position Coaches
 
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Without a doubt coaching plays a very important part when it comes to Developing talent... however Jimmy and Joes can often overcome X's and O's.

I never thought Fulmer was a great coach, but what made him good was the talent he was able to bring to the table , especially in the 90's

A good example of this is Cutclif... when he was at Tennessee and had a QB named Manning as well as when he was Ole Miss he became a pretty decent coach, but at Duke when he has to compete with USCjr and Clemson for Talent (as well as schools outside of SC) he is not so hot........ JMHO
 
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