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I've mentioned before that I see any football team as a range of possibilities. On any given week, the best version of the team can show up, or the worst version, or anything in between. We are talking about 125 college kids, after all.

In my mind, a team's potential looks sort of like this fuzzy cloud:

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The center bar is what most of us talk about each week when we say team A is better or worse than team B. But that is really just an average of their potential.

We've also talked on these boards about how powerful a force discipline is in football. The more discipline a team has, the less mystery in "which team shows up this week." The more predictably they perform, however good that may be. Discipline doesn't make a bad team good, but it makes them less prone to being even worse some weeks. In my mind's eye, here's how that looks -- comparing an average team (left) with a really sloppy, undisciplined one (middle), and finally a very well-disciplined squad (right):


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Every coach wants the disciplined outfit, of course. Notice that the top ends of those examples are aligned; you can't be better than your best. Lack of discipline can only make you less good than whatever your best is.

So now, taking this way of looking at a team's potential and applying it to the 2022 season:

There are some teams on the schedule I know almost nothing about: Ball State, Akron, UT Martin. One has to assume average levels of discipline for them, absent any insight. One also has to assume that they play at a G5 or FCS level, barring any indicators to the contrary.

We know more--a lot more--about several of our more frequent opponents. Florida, for instance, has been an undisciplined mess these last several years. And have bled talent. LSU also might be expected to show less discipline than average, having a new coach (most teams with a new coaching staff will be lower on the discipline scale). Finally, Mizzou has shown themselves to have low discipline the least couple of years. At the other end of that scale, Bama and UGa have made discipline an important part of their team culture. We'll assume everyone else on the schedule is, like our team, about average on the discipline variable.

As for how good each team is compared to the Vols, I think we'd mostly all agree that Bama and UGa have a significant edge on us. LSU less so, but still notable. We're probably about even with Pitt. And I would've said about even with Florida if they hadn't imploded so badly and bled so much talent last off-season. They're kind of a wreck right now. Everyone else on the schedule is well below our level.

And I'm talking about the entire team when I say "level." Not just talent, it's not as simple as counting stars or blue chips. I mean the coaching staff, too, and the scheme, and the intangibles like cohesiveness and willingness to sacrifice for each other.

Anyway, when I chart it all out, it comes out looking kinda like this:

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That's how I see 2022 in my mind. A few notes about it:

1. It's not gonna tell me how to vote against Vegas. You can find anything from 11-1 to 7-5 in there (6-6 if you really wanted to argue Kentucky's slim-slim chances of showing up with their very best A-game against our most putrid, undisciplined version of ourselves). So this isn't predicting 8-4, the way my head says, or 9-3, the way my heart is leaning. It is annoyingly imprecise. But I think that makes it paradoxically even more accurate a reflection of how football really works.

2. It's kind of easy to see the season playing out like a melody. Characterized by three rising scales (Ball State-Pitt, followed by Akron-FL-LSU-Bama, followed in turn by UTM-KY-UGa), with a denouement ending in Mizzou-USCe-Vandy. I particularly appreciate the rising nature of the Akron-to-Bama series, as each week will serve as a tune-up for a somewhat greater challenge the following week.

3. We really have to hope the basket-case version of Florida shows up. It seems over the past couple of decades, we've always arrived at something between our average selves and our worst, while they usually showed up at or near the top of their potential. We're better than them this year, but we need to be on our game to guarantee ourselves a W.

4. Pitt and LSU are the keystone games of the season. They are the two teams most akin to us in overall capacity to find victory. Given that we could slip up somewhere else along the way (we're not yet THAT disciplined), those two games mean the difference between a very good season, and an acceptable but just okay one.

~ ~ ~

Anyway, that's how I think of our odds. It's never so simple as "we're better than them, we'll beat them." It's like collapsing the wave form in quantum mechanics; most football teams are in a superposition of states until they get measured by being put on the field against another team.

Go Vols!
 
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I think you and many others are overhyping Pitt. Their success last year very literally road on the backs of Pickett and their receivers. Pickett is gone as are 5 of their top 7 WR's. In spite of being among the leaders in sacks, they were one of the worst pass D's in the ACC. We witnessed that as UT's receivers got behind their coverage early and often but Milton couldn't take advantage. They lost a couple of LB's and a DB from their back 7.

Granted we hope UT gets better on D through development and S&C. However I think you give Pitt too much credit for potential. I think they're disciplined. I think they develop players to near their top potential before they play. I just don't think they're that talented. Kancey is the kind of guy who can change a game. Outside of that I see "system" players.

IMO, it will be a VERY bad sign if UT doesn't handle Pitt.
 
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I've mentioned before that I see any football team as a range of possibilities. On any given week, the best version of the team can show up, or the worst version, or anything in between. We are talking about 125 college kids, after all.

In my mind, a team's potential looks sort of like this fuzzy cloud:

View attachment 480053

The center bar is what most of us talk about each week when we say team A is better or worse than team B. But that is really just an average of their potential.

We've also talked on these boards about how powerful a force discipline is in football. The more discipline a team has, the less mystery in "which team shows up this week." The more predictably they perform, however good that may be. Discipline doesn't make a bad team good, but it makes them less prone to being even worse some weeks. In my mind's eye, here's how that looks -- comparing an average team (left) with a really sloppy, undisciplined one (middle), and finally a very well-disciplined squad (right):


View attachment 480056

Every coach wants the disciplined outfit, of course. Notice that the top ends of those examples are aligned; you can't be better than your best. Lack of discipline can only make you less good than whatever your best is.

So now, taking this way of looking at a team's potential and applying it to the 2022 season:

There are some teams on the schedule I know almost nothing about: Ball State, Akron, UT Martin. One has to assume average levels of discipline for them, absent any insight. One also has to assume that they play at a G5 or FCS level, barring any indicators to the contrary.

We know more--a lot more--about several of our more frequent opponents. Florida, for instance, has been an undisciplined mess these last several years. And have bled talent. LSU also might be expected to show less discipline than average, having a new coach (most teams with a new coaching staff will be lower on the discipline scale). Finally, Mizzou has shown themselves to have low discipline the least couple of years. At the other end of that scale, Bama and UGa have made discipline an important part of their team culture. We'll assume everyone else on the schedule is, like our team, about average on the discipline variable.

As for how good each team is compared to the Vols, I think we'd mostly all agree that Bama and UGa have a significant edge on us. LSU less so, but still notable. We're probably about even with Pitt. And I would've said about even with Florida if they hadn't imploded so badly and bled so much talent last off-season. They're kind of a wreck right now. Everyone else on the schedule is well below our level.

And I'm talking about the entire team when I say "level." Not just talent, it's not as simple as counting stars or blue chips. I mean the coaching staff, too, and the scheme, and the intangibles like cohesiveness and willingness to sacrifice for each other.

Anyway, when I chart it all out, it comes out looking kinda like this:

View attachment 480073

That's how I see 2022 in my mind. A few notes about it:

1. It's not gonna tell me how to vote against Vegas. You can find anything from 11-1 to 7-5 in there (6-6 if you really wanted to argue Kentucky's slim-slim chances of showing up with their very best A-game against our most putrid, undisciplined version of ourselves). So this isn't predicting 8-4, the way my head says, or 9-3, the way my heart is leaning. It is annoyingly imprecise. But I think that makes it paradoxically even more accurate a reflection of how football really works.

2. It's kind of easy to see the season playing out like a melody. Characterized by three rising scales (Ball State-Pitt, followed by Akron-FL-LSU-Bama, followed in turn by UTM-KY-UGa), with a denouement ending in Mizzou-USCe-Vandy. I particularly appreciate the rising nature of the Arkon-to-Bama series, as each week will serve as a tune-up for a somewhat greater challenge the following week.

3. We really have to hope the basket-case version of Florida shows up. It seems over the past couple of decades, we've always arrived at something between our average selves and our worst, while they usually showed up at or near the top of their potential. We're better than them this year, but we need to be on our game to guarantee ourselves a W.

4. Pitt and LSU are the keystone games of the season. They are the two teams most akin to us in overall capacity to find victory. Given that we could slip up somewhere else along the way (we're not yet THAT disciplined), those two games mean the difference between a very good season, and an acceptable but just okay one.

~ ~ ~

Anyway, that's how I think of our odds. It's never so simple as "we're better than them, we'll beat them." It's like collapsing the wave form in quantum mechanics; most football teams are in a superposition of states until they get measured by being put on the field against another team.

Go Vols!
Pitt - LSU - UF will determine if this is a good year or more of the same, in my estimation. I would also like to improve on the first 3 1/2 quarters vs Bama and look considerably more competitive vs the Muts.

If Heup is really gonna be "the guy" to lift the program back to national relevance he needs to do all of the above, and I'm rooting for him to be successful.
 
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I think you and many others are overhyping Pitt. Their success last year very literally road on the backs of Pickett and their receivers. Pickett is gone as are 5 of their top 7 WR's. In spite of being among the leaders in sacks, they were one of the worst pass D's in the ACC. We witnessed that as UT's receivers got behind their coverage early and often but Milton couldn't take advantage. They lost a couple of LB's and a DB from their back 7.

Granted we hope UT gets better on D through development and S&C. However I think you give Pitt too much credit for potential. I think they're disciplined. I think they develop players to near their top potential before they play. I just don't think they're that talented. Kancey is the kind of guy who can change a game. Outside of that I see "system" players.

IMO, it will be a VERY bad sign if UT doesn't handle Pitt.
I started looking at some old prediction threads last night with the idea of seeing where the Volnation consensus was on the eve of the season the last 5 years or so and I found this jewel from pre-season 2018:
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Of course we ended up losing those two schools (West Virginia and Missouri) by a combined 90 to 31 that year. We all have bad takes, that is no biggie. Also, I haven't seen hardly anyone posit that Pitt was going to beat us like 2018 West Virginia or anything. What most are saying, including apparently OP here is that Pitt appears to be at least fairly evenly matched with us on paper and it wouldn't be that big of an upset if they again gave us a tough game or even beat us in a tight ballgame on the road. You may be right this year and we may hammer Pitt, but right now based on analysis of both teams by numerous other voices in CFB, many fairly well informed, I am firmly in the camp that there will be no reason to panic and consider it a very bad sign if we lose a tight game on the road in week 2 to the team ranked No. 16 in the Coaches' Poll.
 
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I started looking at some old prediction threads last night with the idea of seeing where the Volnation consensus was on the eve of the season the last 5 years or so and I found this jewel from pre-season 2018:
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Of course we ended up losing those two schools (West Virginia and Missouri) by a combined 90 to 31 that year. I haven't seen hardly anyone posit that Pitt was going to beat us like 2018 West Virginia or anything, only that Pitt appears to be at least fairly evenly matched with us on paper and it wouldn't be that big of an upset if they again gave us a tough game or even beat us in a tight ballgame on the road. You may be right this year and we may hammer Pitt, but right now based on analysis of both teams by numerous other voices in CFB, many fairly well informed, I am firmly in the camp that there will be no reason to panic and consider it a very bad sign if we lose a tight game on the road in week 2 to the team ranked No. 16 in the Coaches' Poll.
How many people who have been here for long haven't made bad calls on things like that? Should we go find some of yours? Hard to predict that a coach will be as bad as Pruitt was.

That said, if the recruiting rankings mean anything at all then UT is significantly more talented than Pitt. Not just a little... but a lot. Pitt was #76 last year. In the previous 4 years they were 48th, 55th, 45th, and 29th. You don't have to read long before you know that I don't have the faith in the recruiting rankings as some others here. But that big of a difference should be meaningful if they are accurate at all.

Last year appeared to show the difference a QB can make in a contest. This year... they don't have that advantage. UT does.
 
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You score a lot of points you are feared. This is something they have missed for a long time. I am hoping they can duplicate last years offensive success, pick up the defensive slack and become relevant again. Get back to where they can beat anyone on a given day.
 
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How many people who have been here for long haven't made bad calls on things like that? Should we go find some of yours? Hard to predict that a coach will be as bad as Pruitt was.

That said, if the recruiting rankings mean anything at all then UT is significantly more talented than Pitt. Not just a little... but a lot. Pitt was #76 last year. In the previous 4 years they were 48th, 55th, 45th, and 29th. You don't have to read long before you know that I don't have the faith in the recruiting rankings as some others here. But that big of a difference should be meaningful if they are accurate at all.

Last year appeared to show the difference a QB can make in a contest. This year... they don't have that advantage. UT does.
I didn't go hunting for anything from you specifically, like I said I was looking to do a post on August's past. We all make bad calls, no big deal about that. It's very hard to prognosticate in the preseason, nonetheless I think your position that it will be a "VERY bad sign" if we drop a game in Week 2 to a ranked team on the road is a bit much.
 
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Interesting approach. It is more that just talent but that is a factor. 247 should have their composite team talent scores updated for 2022 soon and that might be helpful for calibrating your model. But as you mentioned- it’s more than talent. It’s the coaching staff and how well they get everyone pulling together and how well the pieces fit. Clemson had tremendous talent last year but their offense never clicked. We had some very talented teams under Jones but he created such a toxic environment that we always got less than the sum of all the individual. Just based on last year I believe Heupel is just the opposite. He had everyone excited again about playing football and we came out strong just about every game.
Personally I would say there is overlap between Tennessee and six of our opponents. I agree that Bama’s and Georgia‘s floors are still above our ceiling but this year we’re closer to Georgia than Bama IMO. I’d say Vandy and our three tune up opponents are well below us and shouldn’t be able to stay on the field unless we let them. But those others - Pitt, LSU, Kentucky, South Carolina, Florida, and even Missouri have some overlap.
It’s more difficult nowadays to predict what teams are going to be like because of the transfer rules. Pitt losses their QB but will plug in a red shirt junior 4 star who thru 30 TDs as a true freshman At USC. Will they even miss a beat or will there be a drop off? I’m glad we play them early in the year so hopefully they will not have jelled. But with 15 returning starters they don’t need much to jell and could easily be as good or better than last year. South Carolina last year had a strong D and a high school offense. They picked up a former Heisman hyped QB along with a RB, TE and WR so who knows what their offense will be like in November. And LSU actually has a coach. They bled a lot of talent but still have enough to beat us if we play average and they play well. We’re better than Kentucky and Missouri but we have to come out ready to play or both could be ballgames into the fourth quarter.

I‘m optimistic because it’s the second year under Heupel, we return an experienced QB and have enough speed and talent to score plenty of points. Scoring 40 or more points a game cover a multitude of sins.
I’m pessimistic about our OL’s ability to move people out on short yardage and our overall D - especially at LB and CB.

It was 60 degrees here this morning (North Alabama) with low humidity- I’m ready for kickoff.
 
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How many people who have been here for long haven't made bad calls on things like that? Should we go find some of yours? Hard to predict that a coach will be as bad as Pruitt was.

That said, if the recruiting rankings mean anything at all then UT is significantly more talented than Pitt. Not just a little... but a lot. Pitt was #76 last year. In the previous 4 years they were 48th, 55th, 45th, and 29th. You don't have to read long before you know that I don't have the faith in the recruiting rankings as some others here. But that big of a difference should be meaningful if they are accurate at all.

Last year appeared to show the difference a QB can make in a contest. This year... they don't have that advantage. UT does.
You identified recruiting rankings as "a part of the whole" to determine team strength, and I agree with you. I would like to take your idea a step further. As others have pointed out, due to other team factors, we can exceed or underperform our "talent level." One of the things I am very happy to see with this coaching staff is the way they engage the players. There is a strong sense of family, belonging and accountability with this team, as many players and recruits have commented about many times. This will be reflected in a positive manner on the field. My favorite thing about CJH and co. is he (and his staff) can flat out teach. Player development under this regime should be equal to, if not greater than, what we experienced in the 1990's. There are many reasons to be excited for this coming year. If this team truly puts forth the effort (without major injuries) I can see winning the Pitt game easily and putting on a show in the SEC. I honestly think we may be able to upset Georgia or Alabama if we can handle the depth.
 
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I've mentioned before that I see any football team as a range of possibilities. On any given week, the best version of the team can show up, or the worst version, or anything in between. We are talking about 125 college kids, after all.

In my mind, a team's potential looks sort of like this fuzzy cloud:

View attachment 480053

The center bar is what most of us talk about each week when we say team A is better or worse than team B. But that is really just an average of their potential.

We've also talked on these boards about how powerful a force discipline is in football. The more discipline a team has, the less mystery in "which team shows up this week." The more predictably they perform, however good that may be. Discipline doesn't make a bad team good, but it makes them less prone to being even worse some weeks. In my mind's eye, here's how that looks -- comparing an average team (left) with a really sloppy, undisciplined one (middle), and finally a very well-disciplined squad (right):


View attachment 480056

Every coach wants the disciplined outfit, of course. Notice that the top ends of those examples are aligned; you can't be better than your best. Lack of discipline can only make you less good than whatever your best is.

So now, taking this way of looking at a team's potential and applying it to the 2022 season:

There are some teams on the schedule I know almost nothing about: Ball State, Akron, UT Martin. One has to assume average levels of discipline for them, absent any insight. One also has to assume that they play at a G5 or FCS level, barring any indicators to the contrary.

We know more--a lot more--about several of our more frequent opponents. Florida, for instance, has been an undisciplined mess these last several years. And have bled talent. LSU also might be expected to show less discipline than average, having a new coach (most teams with a new coaching staff will be lower on the discipline scale). Finally, Mizzou has shown themselves to have low discipline the least couple of years. At the other end of that scale, Bama and UGa have made discipline an important part of their team culture. We'll assume everyone else on the schedule is, like our team, about average on the discipline variable.

As for how good each team is compared to the Vols, I think we'd mostly all agree that Bama and UGa have a significant edge on us. LSU less so, but still notable. We're probably about even with Pitt. And I would've said about even with Florida if they hadn't imploded so badly and bled so much talent last off-season. They're kind of a wreck right now. Everyone else on the schedule is well below our level.

And I'm talking about the entire team when I say "level." Not just talent, it's not as simple as counting stars or blue chips. I mean the coaching staff, too, and the scheme, and the intangibles like cohesiveness and willingness to sacrifice for each other.

Anyway, when I chart it all out, it comes out looking kinda like this:

View attachment 480073

That's how I see 2022 in my mind. A few notes about it:

1. It's not gonna tell me how to vote against Vegas. You can find anything from 11-1 to 7-5 in there (6-6 if you really wanted to argue Kentucky's slim-slim chances of showing up with their very best A-game against our most putrid, undisciplined version of ourselves). So this isn't predicting 8-4, the way my head says, or 9-3, the way my heart is leaning. It is annoyingly imprecise. But I think that makes it paradoxically even more accurate a reflection of how football really works.

2. It's kind of easy to see the season playing out like a melody. Characterized by three rising scales (Ball State-Pitt, followed by Akron-FL-LSU-Bama, followed in turn by UTM-KY-UGa), with a denouement ending in Mizzou-USCe-Vandy. I particularly appreciate the rising nature of the Akron-to-Bama series, as each week will serve as a tune-up for a somewhat greater challenge the following week.

3. We really have to hope the basket-case version of Florida shows up. It seems over the past couple of decades, we've always arrived at something between our average selves and our worst, while they usually showed up at or near the top of their potential. We're better than them this year, but we need to be on our game to guarantee ourselves a W.

4. Pitt and LSU are the keystone games of the season. They are the two teams most akin to us in overall capacity to find victory. Given that we could slip up somewhere else along the way (we're not yet THAT disciplined), those two games mean the difference between a very good season, and an acceptable but just okay one.

~ ~ ~

Anyway, that's how I think of our odds. It's never so simple as "we're better than them, we'll beat them." It's like collapsing the wave form in quantum mechanics; most football teams are in a superposition of states until they get measured by being put on the field against another team.

Go Vols!

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The week off after Florida will give us more time to celebrate the win. Maybe LSU will be undefeated and we can tag them with their 1st loss too.
 
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If I win billion dollars you are going to be on my operations team. We can open a new company in kick the crap out of the Fortune 500 competitors.
 
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I think everything hinges on fixing the offense’s habit of coasting in the 2nd and 3rd quarters like they did in most of the losses last year. Some of that was good defenses and some of it was just lazy execution.
 
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7-5 is negative when almost everyone is saying that’s our floor buddy
ESPN's preseason FPI has us at 7.1 wins. Granted most in our fanbase, including myself expect a bit better than that but outside our fanbase 7-8 wins is where most prognosticators are, for what that's worth. For reference, last year our pre-season ESPN FPI projected win total was 6.6 and we won 7. Hopefully we will exceed expectations again.

ESPN FPI projects every game on Tennessee’s 2022 schedule
 
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ESPN's preseason FPI has us at 7.1 wins. Granted most in our fanbase, including myself expect a bit better than that but outside our fanbase 7-8 wins is where most prognosticators are, for what that's worth. For reference, last year our pre-season ESPN FPI projected win total was 6.6 and we won 7. Hopefully we will exceed expectations again.
I don’t really trust espn just cause it takes pruitts last 2 years into affect as well. But I see what your saying. I just think going 7-5 again would be really disappointing with who we have coming back
 
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