How good is material this year historically ?

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cncchris33 said:
Barnes would never publicly admit it now, and he would certainly benefit from hindsight in this hypothetical, but I guarantee you he'd trade this current team for Buzz's last team (2004-05) that included CJ Watson (JR), Scooter McFadgon (SR), Chris Lofton (FR), Brandon Crump (SR), JaJuan Smith (FR), Jamere Hendrix (JR), Andre Patterson (JR), Major Wingate (SO).
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That team vastly underachieved. Pretty good roster there
 
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BruinVol said:
I think the key to this is Robert hubbs.

What kind of player is he really?


So far it looks like he might be living up to his rating.
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I agree. He is definitely tracking in the right direction. Probably the only NBA-level player on the current roster right now though.

Zo's worst team had two eventual NBA players on it, and his best teams had three. I'll be shocked if we look back on this team in 5-6 years, and reflect on more than one NBA-level talent. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree. He is definitely tracking in the right direction. Probably the only NBA-level player on the current roster right now though.

Zo's worst team had two eventual NBA players on it, and his best teams had three. I'll be shocked if we look back on this team in 5-6 years, and reflect on more than one NBA-level talent. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
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I agree.

The fact is it could very well be the worst talent team we have had in 10 years but still be good enough to win 16-17 games. Right now it's been outplayed for large parts of games by 2 teams will vastly less talent
 
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BruinVol said:
I agree.

The fact is it could very well be the worst talent team we have had in 10 years but still be good enough to win 16-17 games. Right now it's been outplayed for large parts of games by 2 teams will vastly less talent
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So if this years team is worse than last years team talent wise, and last years team won 15 games, and this years team wins 16-17 games, what does that say about the job done last year?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I agree. He is definitely tracking in the right direction. Probably the only NBA-level player on the current roster right now though.

Zo's worst team had two eventual NBA players on it, and his best teams had three. I'll be shocked if we look back on this team in 5-6 years, and reflect on more than one NBA-level talent. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
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Nobody thought Zo's players were NBA material before or after that season. They developed.

We have several players with that potential on this roster.

Every new coach we get we act like he is in the worst spot ever. It's just not true.

We will be fine.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So if this years team is worse than last years team talent wise, and last years team won 15 games, and this years team wins 16-17 games, what does that say about the job done last year?
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BTO

Surely your recall our more than one discussion about our schedule this year?
 
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k-town_king said:
Nobody thought Zo's players were NBA material before or after that season. They developed.

We have several players with that potential on this roster.

Every new coach we get we act like he is in the worst spot ever. It's just not true.

We will be fine.
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Obviously, I can only speak on what we've seen to this point, which admittedly isn't a lot.

Zo's first team consisted of players who were at least highly recruited. This team has one 5* player and then a lot of question marks. Not lost causes, but question marks.

All I am saying is that I'll be shocked if we look back at this team and marvel at the unknown talent we had. With newcomers like Phillips, Kasongo, Alexander, Schofield, McGhee, admittedly you just don't know what you have this early. I don't see anything special in any of them personally. Doesn't mean they won't improve and prove me wrong though.

Edit: And if you are familiar with my posts, you know I'm not a stargazer. I typically judge players based on offer lists and what I see them do with my own eyes. Just want to be clear about that.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Obviously, I can only speak on what we've seen to this point, which admittedly isn't a lot.

Zo's first team consisted of players who were at least highly recruited. This team has one 5* player and then a lot of question marks. Not lost causes, but question marks.

All I am saying is that I'll be shocked if we look back at this team and marvel at the unknown talent we had. With newcomers like Phillips, Kasongo, Alexander, Schofield, McGhee, admittedly you just don't know what you have this early. I don't see anything special in any of them personally. Doesn't mean they won't improve and prove me wrong though.

Edit: And if you are familiar with my posts, you know I'm not a stargazer. I typically judge players based on offer lists and what I see them do with my own eyes. Just want to be clear about that.
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I see what you are saying. I just think people said the same things then. At least Barnes had some double digit scorers returning.

I do think think Barnes is our best coach and will get the most out of them. I think we could end up with a couple NBA players possibly from this team. Hubbs, Mostella definitely have the potential. Who knows how the big men will develop.
 
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I actually think we are already starting to see this years roster being better than last years.

Moore, punter, and hubbs are averaging 52pts per game will the big3 of punter, Richardson, and moore last year averaged 36. Some that difference is the higher scoring pace but not all 16pts of it IMO.


It's very realistic to expect Mostella, baulkman, moore, punter, hubbs, Reece,
McGee to develop/mature enough each to fill the void left my richardson.

The problematic part of that is can kasongo and Alexander fill the void left my Owens and Carmichael. Right now they haven't and Barnes needs to fix that quickly or start taking some heat for not figuring a way to keep those guys .
 
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BruinVol said:
BTO

Surely your recall our more than one discussion about our schedule this year?
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Well the sec is improved top to bottom, not sure you'll find anyone who disagrees, how many ranked OOC opponents did we play last season? I get this years SOS isn't the greatest in the country, but last years wasn't either from what I recall.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well the sec is improved top to bottom, not sure you'll find anyone who disagrees, how many ranked OOC opponents did we play last season? I get this years SOS isn't the greatest in the country, but last years wasn't either from what I recall.
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You lost me at the SEC is improved


That certainly doesn't look correct
 
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BruinVol said:
The problematic part of that is can kasongo and Alexander fill the void left my Owens and Carmichael. Right now they haven't and Barnes needs to fix that quickly or start taking some heat for not figuring a way to keep those guys .
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Yet Tyndall didn't deserve any heat for not figuring a way to keep Thompson, Davis, Cofer, Cornish, Austin or Turman? Interesting.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yet Tyndall didn't deserve any heat for not figuring a way to keep Thompson, Davis, Cofer, Cornish, Austin or Turman? Interesting.
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I never said that


Tyndall doesn't deserve any heat for Thompson. Thompson was too soft to play for Tyndall and he knew it.

The others I am sure Tyndall should have found a way to keep at least a few of them
 
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BruinVol said:
You lost me at the SEC is improved


That certainly doesn't look correct
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People have been saying all summer how with all these new coaches the conference was gonna be stronger top to bottom, no?

You've got 3 SEC teams ranked in the top 25, were there more than that at any point last season?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
People have been saying all summer how with all these new coaches the conference was gonna be stronger top to bottom, no?
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Correct and the season started and you then began to post those wonderful scores showing us that the SEC isn't worth a damn again
 
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BruinVol said:
I never said that


Tyndall doesn't deserve any heat for Thompson. Thompson was too soft to play for Tyndall and he knew it.

The others I am sure Tyndall should have found a way to keep at least a few of them
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And you criticized him for not finding a way to keep any of those guys last year at some point during our struggle to reach 15 wins?
 
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BruinVol said:
Correct and the season started and you then began to post those wonderful scores showing us that the SEC isn't worth a damn again
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The same stuff existed last year, fact remains they're still likely better as a conference top to bottom. Once again, just like with the SOS, just because it's bad this year doesn't mean it wasn't worse last year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And you criticized him for not finding a way to keep any of those guys last year at some point during our struggle to reach 15 wins?
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Not sure what that matters but I was pretty happy with nearly all the kids he brought in.

Which class would you prefer?

The one Tyndall threw together at the last minute or the one Barnes did?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The same stuff existed last year, fact remains they're still likely better as a conference top to bottom. Once again, just like with the SOS, just because it's bad this year doesn't mean it wasn't worse last year.
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Time will tell on the scedule

Again I think with any development of kasongo or Alexander this roster this year will be at worst a wash with last years.
 
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BruinVol said:
Not sure what that matters but I was pretty happy with nearly all the kids he brought in.

Which class would you prefer?

The one Tyndall threw together at the last minute or the one Barnes did?
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That's not even close to what I asked? If you're going to criticize Barnes for not finding a way to retain some guys and attribute it to struggles this year it's only fair to do the same with the previous coach, yet for some reason he seems to be exempt from that with you.
 
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BruinVol said:
Time will tell on the scedule

Again I think with any development of kasongo or Alexander this roster this year will be at worst a wash with last years.
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I think the roster's talent wise are pretty equal, I would give last years squad the early edge as it included woodson, head case or not if we are talking strictly talent he had some. As for the schedule, again I would say it's pretty equal, off the top of my head we could play 3 ranked opponents OOC this year, I don't recall that number being higher last season, but I could be wrong.
 
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BruinVol said:
BTO


wtf does that say?
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Read it as could the first time, sounds much different than your post about the heat Barnes should start to face. Again, we all know that heat will come from you towards Barnes, why didn't it come from you last year towards Tyndall?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Read it as could the first time, sounds much different than your post about the heat Barnes should start to face. Again, we all know that heat will come from you towards Barnes, why didn't it come from you last year towards Tyndall?
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Well I wasn't posting here last year but Tyndalls players were performing and showing promise

Barnes players have not yet

Since you are so worried about the equality in criticizing both coaches where are you post criticizing Barnes from not keeping Owens or Carmichael?
 
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BruinVol said:
Well I wasn't posting here last year but Tyndalls players were performing and showing promise

Barnes players have not yet

Since you are so worried about the equality in criticizing both coaches where are you post criticizing Barnes from not keeping Owens or Carmichael?
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Well Owens much like Thompson according to you, had no desire to stay here, so I don't fault Barnes for that one at all just like you don't Tyndal with Thompson. As for Carmichael, I would take Alexander and/or Kasongo over him any day of the week, so that's why I'm not criticizing that move.
 
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