How good is Fulmer at contracts?

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We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
 
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Volfan76 said:
We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
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Pruitt is contracted to be head coach so the answer to the first question is No. Second question is Not applicable
 
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To answer your thread question Fulmer is awful at contracts.

1. He gave a raise and an extension to a coach with little leverage.

2. Theres nothing resembling buyout reciprocity in the contract.

3. There's no offset provision unlike every other SEC HC contract. Fulmer gave up that piece of leverage too.

From a contractual standpoint, Pruitt has more leverage here than Saban does at Bama, which is crazy.
 
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Volfan76 said:
We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
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Pruitt wouldn’t go for that, come on!
 
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Not legal under the contract as others have mentioned. More importantly, it would destroy the team. The locker room would be divided by players who were still loyal to JP thinking he recruited them, he invested in them, he should be head coach, etc. Then you have the new coach that is going to have "his guys", trying to lead his way which would obviously be different. Trying to bring the team together so they were all playing as one unit would never work.
 
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I'd say Fulmer isn't good with contracts. I can't think of any reason why Pruitt's contract was extended. What other major program, or any program for that matter, was going to try to steal him away after two years of between subpar and marginal success? Did Fulmer think Alabama was going to come knocking? :rolleyes:
 
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There’s no way to answer these questions and most of these details are confidential. But you bring up a point that I was very concerned with...by bringing in fulmer and allowing him to make this decision the university took a ridiculous risks. He knows nothing about structuring coaching contracts. He’s not a lawyer and has no expertise in this area.

As for the suggestion that Pruitt take over as dc so we at least get some return...that would be amazing if it were to work but I can’t recall this scenario ever having been done before. Most head coaches would want to be able to choose their own staff. And coordinators would be some of their most important decisions.

Pruitt is a terrible head coach. It’s painfully obvious at this point. And that was the risks in choosing a guy that’s never been a head coach before. Just because a guy has been successful as a position coach or as a recruiter doesn’t mean they’ll be a great head coach. It’s a really a completely different job. I’d say the most important skill as a coach coach is the ability to be a really high level communicator. And secondly might be an individual’s ability to delegate tasks in an organized manner. I think just right on the surface you can see that Pruitt doesn’t have the right skill set for either of those. So we’re back where we’ve been so many times over the last decade or so...we have a guy we’re going to keep around for another couple of years that we all know deep down will never ultimately succeed
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
To answer your thread question Fulmer is awful at contracts.

1. He gave a raise and an extension to a coach with little leverage.

2. Theres nothing resembling buyout reciprocity in the contract.

3. There's no offset provision unlike every other SEC HC contract. Fulmer gave up that piece of leverage too.

From a contractual standpoint, Pruitt has more leverage here than Saban does at Bama, which is crazy.
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I agree with everything except 'coach with little leverage.' Imo, he was a coach with no leverage. Somehow, someone cursed UT football or Phil was on a bender the likes of which humankind has never seen. That's the only way the extension makes sense.
 
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Volfan76 said:
We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
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Fulmer has received an “A” rating at contracts by a recent poll of college administrators.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Fulmer has received an “A” rating at contracts by a recent poll of college administrators.
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Well that makes me feel better...... 😂🤣


Edit: I'm sure Pruitt's agent agrees with those administrators.......
 
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The HC should always have at least 4 or 5 years left on their contract to show stability to players and recruits. When the time comes to move on you pay the buyout and move on.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
The HC should always have at least 4 or 5 years left on their contract to show stability to players and recruits. When the time comes to move on you pay the buyout and move on.
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Maybe, but name another profession where failure gets rewarded? College coaches are grossly overpaid and overrated, there are dozens of coaches at the high school level who could field a product as pathetic as the one Pruitt has fielded the last few games.
 
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Jimmy Sexton is about 8 million times smarter than anyone at UTAD including Fulmer.

No way he would have let Pruitt sign any kind of contract which would allow him to be demoted.

Sexton has made a cottage industry out of getting exorbitant buyouts from UT.
 
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Volfan76 said:
We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
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Well, I mean anything "could" be done in theory. Pruitt is currently under contract to be the HC, so that contract would have to be ripped up and they'd have to agree to another one if he were to be DC.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Maybe, but name another profession where failure gets rewarded? College coaches are grossly overpaid and overrated, there are dozens of coaches at the high school level who could field a product as pathetic as the one Pruitt has fielded the last few games.
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I’m not familiar with any professions that are paid to fail. The buyout is a sign of stability just like the length of contract. There are a ton of folks that would coach at UT for way less.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Maybe, but name another profession where failure gets rewarded? College coaches are grossly overpaid and overrated, there are dozens of coaches at the high school level who could field a product as pathetic as the one Pruitt has fielded the last few games.
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It happens with corporate executives all the time. Happens in Hollywood.

It's common any position where the supply of potential candidates is very small and the demand is very high. The reason those buyouts exist is quite simply because the coaches have that kind of leverage. There aren't very many coaches at that level, and the schools are desperate for one because the financial rewards of having a good football team is very high.
 
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Volfan76 said:
We all know how Butch Jones is screwing UT by not seeking real employment. My discussion point is...can Pruitt be demoted to DC rather than fired if Fulmer was to hire an offensive minded head coach like Freeze. Same with Ainsley to DB. Would be a great start on a coaching staff and UT would at least get some return on their investment. Question is can it be done? 2nd question...do they negate their contract if they refuse to do it?
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Fulmer is so good with contracts that when Pruitt gets fired his buyout isn't offset by his salary at another job. So theres that
 
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Pruitt has a "no obligatin to mitigate damages" clause in his contract. Which basically means if he's fired, he can go anywhere and UT gets no compensation..

Think about that. He could go coach for a rival for pennies and UT foots the bill with NO compensation........

Now ask yourself if Phil can negotiate a contract........
 
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