How Does Dooley Do It?

#76
#76
Tennessee sells itself. Doesn't have much to do with Dooley.

No it doesn't. The one prerequisite to coach at UT is the ability to convince kids from other states to travel hours to play for a team they have no emotions vested in.

Above all else... a UT coach MUST be a great salesman.

Fulmer knew that.

Kiffin believed that UT so much DID NOT sell itself that he sold himself and UT as a stepping stone to the NFL. In fact, he thought he had to cheat and make a fool of himself to get players.
 
#77
#77
I counted 17 schools in the top 25 recruiting that have changed HC in the last four years. Kids know wherever they go that the HC will probably not be there the whole four years so they are looking more at the invariables. All recruits need to see is that TN can match dollar to dollar with pretty much any school. Money talks more than words.
 
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#78
#78
Tennessee sells itself. Doesn't have much to do with Dooley.

While there is some validity to your argument - Tennessee has little in-state talent and has to have a team of good recruiters who can recruit the border states, Fla., and other surrounding states. Dooley is young, is funny, is smart and has a staff of good to great recruiters. To be successful at UT you have to be both a good coach and be able to recruit outside the state. The same holds true in basketball, a little less true in baseball.

I think we will do well on the field next year, but also look for Dooley and co. to have their best recruiting year next year. I think they have laid the groundwork to have a great recruiting class next season.
 
#79
#79
Have not heard....does anyone think CDD dismisses players based on those 4 that were put on supsension just prior to Ky game?

Do you think he will be tempted to open 2-3 slots in this manner?
 
#81
#81
Well WV, I'll give it a shot. Last time I checked we were only behind ND in terms of recruiting budget. That's a biggie because the staff has no limit to resources.

We also have fantastic facilities, like top 5 in the country facilities.

If you can ever take the time to look at the army, literally, army of folks employed by UT to get these kids in the best shape, eating the right things, doctors...the support staff for the kid's education alone is ridiculous. I guess there's the VFL in there somewhere too.

Because we aren't winning too many games, there's early playing time, and even though we have some depth now, what kind of depth is it? 5-7 type depth? Kids want to play, they don't wanna ride the pine and wait their turn, and it requires little effort to see that Dooley isn't afraid to play a freshman.

His last name is Dooley, and he has the Georgia drawl. He played college football, got a law degree and then became a coach. All that plays well for "momma" in the living room.

Finally, with the new numbers/roster requirements, Bama and LSU can't land them all and if you want to play for a National Championship, ya gotta be in the SEC.

Hope CDD can win some games next year. He's been pretty good at everything else.

I'd add one factor is certainly the number of Vols in the NFL. Our style and history are a pretty good pipeline to a pro career.
 
#82
#82
Where does Boise State rank in recruiting over the past few years?? Fact is......the stars mean nothing. Its the finished product. Gotta coach up what youve got!! Honestly, DD was way behind in talent and raw numbers his 1st 2 years. This year gets us closer to where we need to be. We have to give him 4-6 years to prove himself . Whether he gets that........time will tell. GBO!!

The old Boise St argument :no::no: Who do they play against every week? I agree, stars wouldnt matter much if you wanted to win the WAC most years.
 
#83
#83
I'd add one factor is certainly the number of Vols in the NFL. Our style and history are a pretty good pipeline to a pro career.
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Great point, forgot that, yep...How many former Vols played in the Superbowl game last year, was it four?










I'll go ahead and say Dooley didn't recruit them though, for the Fire Dooley crowd.
 
#84
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Dooley had #9 and #13 recruiting classes in '10 and '11, and looks a lock to get to #6 or #7 in 2012.

In whose rankings? Don't get me wrong, Dooley is doing okay on the recruiting trail. Rivals has us at #10 overall. However, if you re-sort the rankings by the average star-ratings, then we're 19th. That's still okay (but nothing spectacular). However, that indicates that our #10 ranking is largely due to the high number of players that have already verbally committed to UT. Since their is a cap on the number of additional commits that we'll be able to get, many other schools will likely pass us in the rankings since they still have more open scholarships to fill.
 
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#85
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Great points. Also, for the younger people on this forum:

1. UT is still all time #2 winningest program in the SEC and #2 in bowl appearances

That's going to mean nothing if Dooley doesn't start winning some games NOW. Bowl appearances and wins don't mean anything to a kid if he wasn't alive and old enough at the time of the bowl game to actually remember it.
 
#86
#86
Dooley seems to have recruited guys who meet at least three standards: SEC level talent, good character/grades, tough minded.

I'll give you #2. However, looking at our offensive line, running backs and kicking game, I don't see ANY legitimate argument in support of #1 or #3.
 
#88
#88
I'll give you #2. However, looking at our offensive line, running backs and kicking game, I don't see ANY legitimate argument in support of #1 or #3.

you cannot expect sophomores and freshmen to meet 1 or 3... this comes with training and experience
 
#90
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So what you're saying is that I was correct.
No, he's saying that neither you, nor anyone else, can make a legitimate claim that you know for sure that 1 and 3 are correct or incorrect. When's the last time you saw an All-SEC / All-American Sophomore offensive lineman?
 
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#91
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Where does Boise State rank in recruiting over the past few years?? Fact is......the stars mean nothing. Its the finished product. Gotta coach up what youve got!! Honestly, DD was way behind in talent and raw numbers his 1st 2 years. This year gets us closer to where we need to be. We have to give him 4-6 years to prove himself . Whether he gets that........time will tell. GBO!!
. Stars may not mean nothing at Boise but they do in the Sec Alabama and LSU are at the top because they put better players on the field than anyone else
 
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#92
#92
Because they have parents and coaches that are being pragmatic and realize it takes time to build a program from the ground up and they want to be a part of it. To them all ****ty teams look like they are poorly coached. ;-)







QUOTE=WiseOlVol;6041340]------------------------

Funny.

The problem is how if UT/Dooley sells well and we keep losing 6 games a year, we don't end up like underachieving Texas in 2 years?

Do these recruits think CDD is a good HC and why?[/QUOTE]
 
#93
#93
No, he's saying that neither you, nor anyone else, can make a legitimate claim that you know for sure that 1 and 3 are correct or incorrect. When's the last time you saw an All-SEC / All-American Sophomore offensive lineman?

This team is marshmallow soft, and THAT is why we lost to a crappy Kentucky team with a WR playing at QB.
 
#94
#94
Dooley: Justin was hurt(our top player on offense/period)
Dooley: Look what we was doing when we had him.
Dooley: Imagine what we could do with him/Rogers/Bray and incoming Fresh. and if we can just get that RB just think about it.

Sold.
 
#95
#95
This team is marshmallow soft, and THAT is why we lost to a crappy Kentucky team with a WR playing at QB.
How can you say that for a fact, though? Defense played well, definitely not soft. Bray was still coming off a broken thumb/flu and the rest of the offense seemed to play about the same that they did all year. Was Bray's bad day softness or circumstantial? Was the offense's play all year softness or circumstantial? What are the criteria for distinguishing between them? What are the circumstances surrounding the criteria used to distinguish between them? It's not as easy as waving your hand and putting everything under one umbrella.
 
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Were in the SEC, and kids want to play in the SEC no matter who the coach is. Nine SEC teams are ranked in the top 20 right now..including Vandy. If you want to play in front of 90K every week, how many options do you have?

Candy ass vandy WILL fall out of the top 25. Believe that.
 
#98
#98
I doubt we sign a 5 star. I think the only one we are even remotely close with is Hamilton. Dooley and the rest of the coaches are just good recruiters. I'm sure they are selling the VFL program, playing time, the SEC, and the stadium/facilities.

If remotely close with Hamilton means no shot at all, then I agree.
 
#99
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Dooley had #9 and #13 recruiting classes in '10 and '11, and looks a lock to get to #6 or #7 in 2012.

Given our poor performance in the field since 2004, what is he selling? Why do these kids want to come here?

Believe me, I know the great history of this program (I've lived most of it), but these days that counts for zip. Yet these 18 and 20 yo's keep coming.

Are these kids and their parents clever enough to grasp the historical certainty that the Vols are way over due for greatness?

Happy and befuddled.


he is doing very well for where the program has been but if you want to win the SEC, better start getting here:

Rivals Ranking
Bama
2007 10
2008 1
2009 1
2010 5
2011 1

LSU
2007 4
2008 11
2009 2
2010 6
2011 6
 
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Agree. But would add that the roster he inherited was so bad that it obscured whether he can actually do that or not. This year you still had Fulmer recruits vs Dooley recruits. There will be very, very little of that next year.

Dooley seems to have recruited guys who meet at least three standards: SEC level talent, good character/grades, tough minded. Fulmer had a knack in his late years for finding emotionally weak guys that got in trouble alot. We had multiple reports here of complaints about being "thrown under the bus". Good grief. Tell'em to put their big girl panties on and join the real world. And don't give me the "they're 18 year old kids" non-sense either. Kids that age are performing in front of the Chicago or NYC sports media in basketball and baseball. ALOT of kids that age are fighting in the Middle East. If being prodded a little in public makes them whine then no great wonder UT hasn't had the mental toughness of late to play with the elites.

Disagree with the bold part at least at this point.
 

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