How do you as a self-identified member of the left or right quantify 'fake news'?

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In light of the words 'fake news' becoming a new epithet in American English and its use in dismissing news that isn't desirable to hear, I'm curious how people here decide what counts as fake news. Some people here throw it around in attachment with any news they don't want to see even if audio and video evidence is provided. Others are careful to use it only in cases where it is obvious that facts are being obfuscated and used to tilt opinion rather than inform the viewer / reader. Almost no one bothers to say why they say 'fake news' when they pull the trigger.

What do you mean when you claim news as fake? If you don't actually mean that the event didn't happen (i.e. audio/video), then why do you use the phrase?
 
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Fake news is deliberate disinformation that has been fabricated from scratch containing no basis in fact whatsoever. The intent behind it's production is usually malice, while it's dissemination is for the purpose of propaganda.

The term is often misused by Donald Trump in effort to cast doubt upon legitimate news which has been reported from an opposing political standpoint.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fake news is deliberate disinformation that has been fabricated from scratch containing no basis in fact whatsoever. The intent behind it's production is usually malice, while it's dissemination is for the purpose of propaganda.

The term is often misused by Donald Trump in effort to cast doubt upon legitimate news which has been reported from an opposing political standpoint.
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Absolutely. That is very clear. I'm curious, though, about what specifically the people here mean when they throw it around all over the place.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fake news is deliberate disinformation that has been fabricated from scratch containing no basis in fact whatsoever. The intent behind it's production is usually malice, while it's dissemination is for the purpose of propaganda.

The term is often misused by Donald Trump in effort to cast doubt upon legitimate news which has been reported from an opposing political standpoint.
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AshG said:
Absolutely. That is very clear. I'm curious, though, about what specifically the people here mean when they throw it around all over the place.
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The right wingers apply it in the same manner that Trump does... anything reported by an outlet other than Fox News, The Washington Times, Breitbart, The National Review, InfoWars, The New York Post or The Daily Caller and is also critical of Republicans - has an agenda and is therefore - fake news. Whether it's factual or not, is irrelevant.
 
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My echo chamber quantifies it for me, while Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless The USA” plays softly in the background. Redhattertitis is so damn contagious.
 
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Brenda Snipes. She's as dumb as a box of rocks and crooked as a snake.
 
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Anytime a story is reported before all the facts are known or, if they are known, some information is left out in order to push an agenda. one way or the other. Like the Duke lacrosse rape case. Much of the reporting regarding the Standing Rock pipeline dispute was deliberately distorted and one-sided.
 
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MG1968 said:
Anytime a story is reported before all the facts are known or, if they are known, some information is left out in order to push an agenda. one way or the other. Like the Duke lacrosse rape case. Much of the reporting regarding the Standing Rock pipeline dispute was deliberately distorted and one-sided.
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That is not fake news. Even in the Duke lacrosse case, there was an alleged rape. The "fake" aspect of the story was the claim itself, not the reporting of the claim. Fake news is fabricated from scratch.
 
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I would ad also that certain MSM outlets basically refuse to report or find away around of reporting anything positive that President Trump and/or this Administration does and when they do they often find away to report it in a negative light.

Take for instance back in August when the first American remains arrived in the US from North Korea. Fox carried the whole military service including the speech by VP Pence Live while the more MSM networks of CNN had only a quick 58 seconds of the ceremony Live, MSNBC never mentioned it while it was taking place.

Then the big three NBC, CBS (Didn't even mention it during the Evening News broadcast) while ABC only gave it a quick 24 second mention.
 
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fake news, gravitas, Collision. These phrases are always created by the left with every election cycle. I remember when Bush did not have gravitas. It took every communist news Outlet 10 minutes to repeat that Mantra over and over through the whole election. the fake news term is no different.

Honestly, fake news is when some talking head makes his opinions and assumptions as facts.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is not fake news. Even in the Duke lacrosse case, there was an alleged rape. The "fake" aspect of the story was the claim itself, not the reporting of the claim. Fake news is fabricated from scratch.
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Like the Richard Jewell thing when the media ran with it?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fake news is deliberate disinformation that has been fabricated from scratch containing no basis in fact whatsoever. The intent behind it's production is usually malice, while it's dissemination is for the purpose of propaganda.

The term is often misused by Donald Trump in effort to cast doubt upon legitimate news which has been reported from an opposing political standpoint.
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Or when said “ legitimate news “ is fake he will point it out to everyone , much to the dismay of said “legitimate “news source and most of the left .
 
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Like the Richard Jewell thing when the media ran with it?
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It would have been legitimate news reporting to say that Richard Jewell was a suspect and leave it at that but several news organizations went further than that and openly speculated as to how and why he might have planted the bomb in Centennial Park (which Eric Rudolph had actually planted)... that wasn't as much "fake news" as it was incredibly irresponsible, reckless and amateurish reporting.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The right wingers apply it in the same manner that Trump does... anything reported by an outlet other than Fox News, The Washington Times, Breitbart, The National Review, InfoWars, The New York Post or The Daily Caller and is also critical of Republicans - has an agenda and is therefore - fake news. Whether it's factual or not, is irrelevant.
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Right Right ... we just wait for the liberals to post from .. Huff post , Vanity fair , CNN, and Vox before we except it as truth . 😂
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
I would ad also that certain MSM outlets basically refuse to report or find away around of reporting anything positive that President Trump and/or this Administration does and when they do they often find away to report it in a negative light.

Take for instance back in August when the first American remains arrived in the US from North Korea. Fox carried the whole military service including the speech by VP Pence Live while the more MSM networks of CNN had only a quick 58 seconds of the ceremony Live, MSNBC never mentioned it while it was taking place.

Then the big three NBC, CBS (Didn't even mention it during the Evening News broadcast) while ABC only gave it a quick 24 second mention.
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Or like when Obama tried to open up talks with NK and Fox News went beserk vs. when Trump opened up talks with NK and Fox News called for a Nobel prize? This isn't "fake news", regardless of how undesirable it is.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It would have been legitimate news reporting to say that Richard Jewell was a suspect and leave it at that but several news organizations went further than that and openly speculated as to how and why he might have planted the bomb in Centennial Park (which Eric Rudolph had actually planted)... that wasn't as much "fake news" as it was incredibly irresponsible, reckless and amateurish reporting.
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I've been a skeptic of the media a long time, and have tried to encourage others to look at the media skeptically, but this "fake news" phenomenon has been bad for our democracy. Now we just use the idea that fake news exists to dismiss anything we don't like. Someone dismissed a poll I shared here yesterday, simply because it was from NPR.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Or like when Obama tried to open up talks with NK and Fox News went beserk vs. when Trump opened up talks with NK and Fox News called for a Nobel prize? This isn't "fake news", regardless of how undesirable it is.
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The difference is when a marxist opens up talk with dictators, usa gets shafted. I.E iran. At least we know trump would put America's interest 1st. I know you marxist hate that concept.
 
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n_huffhines said:
. Now we just use the idea that fake news exists to dismiss anything we don't like.
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To me, the scary thing is that there are many intelligent people here who know better who don't mind partaking in and promoting the ****.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I've been a skeptic of the media a long time, and have tried to encourage others to look at the media skeptically, but this "fake news" phenomenon has been bad for our democracy. Now we just use the idea that fake news exists to dismiss anything we don't like. Someone dismissed a poll I shared here yesterday, simply because it was from NPR.
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...and what we see more and more in these attacks on the press, is the use of one wrong detail in a lengthy story being used to discredit everything else contained in the story itself. If it's reported that a man in a blue jacket robbed a bank at 2 pm with a .45 caliber hand gun, it doesn't make the whole thing "fake news" if the guy's jacket turns out to have been black.... but that is exactly what Trump likes to do with a negative story against him - focus on one suspect, mundane detail and use it to discredit the entire story.
 
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One big problem is that Trump has no credibility, and he is leading the attack against the media, so liberals just look at his accusations and say "you lie worse than anybody" and dismiss his often valid attacks against the MSM.

Maybe the guy accusing everybody of lying shouldn't be a known liar...just saying.
 
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n_huffhines said:
One big problem is that Trump has no credibility, and he is leading the attack against the media, so liberals just look at his accusations and say "you lie worse than anybody" and dismiss his often valid attacks against the MSM.

Maybe the guy accusing everybody of lying shouldn't be a known liar...just saying.
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Takes one to know one.
 
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