How did the 1999 team not make it back to the National Championship game?

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Regarding Arkansas in '98, there was a play before the Stoerner fumble in which Arkansas was punting and the ball was snapped over the punter's head. The punter ran back and kicked the ball off the ground and through his own endzone. This resulted in a Safety and Arkansas then kicked off to UT.

I always thought the the correct rule was illegal kicking, which would have instead resulted in a possession turnover to UT at half the distance to the goal. Can any rules expert confirm the correct call? Had that been the ruling, it likely would have negated the importance of the Stoerner fumble (assuming it still played out that way in the end).
 
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Spurrier, Arkansas had revenge on their mind, and Nebraska was just better, arguably the best team in the country at that time.

The real question is how the 2001 team doesn't win a NC.

*Make the NC

Beating that Miami team woulda been an up hill battle but anything is possible if you at least make it there lol
 
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Question: If the CFP was around back in the 90's and early 2000's, how many championships do you think we could've won? I think Peyton would at least got 1
 
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I'm just wanting to pick the brain of some older folks here. I was five then.

I'm watching the Wyoming game and seeing all these NFL players all over the field. Tee Martin dropping dimes. Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry look ridiculous. Defense has unreal speed and talent.

How did we screw that up and lose three games?
- HORRIBLE coaching at times
- inaccurate QB play
- critical penalties at bad times
 
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We were extremely lucky in 98. Last second field goal at Syracuse. Florida missed field goal. Gift from Arkansas. Nebraska embarrassed us in 97 and 99. Thank the good lord for FSU.
Nebraska didnt embarrass us in 99, we lost by ten points...in 1997 Nebraska was simply the best team in the country and wouldve manhandled anyone that day

Tennessee earned their NC in 1998, but average QB play and bad coaching cost us in 99
 
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Beat me to it . Still pisses me off thinking about it . Didn’t Brown later say that they had some sort of info relative to the snap count that allowed him to run wild over and around the Vols OL?
Not to mention that late hit shot to the head of Tee who didnt even have the ball that CBS and refs were like "wow good play"
 
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Regarding Arkansas in '98, there was a play before the Stoerner fumble in which Arkansas was punting and the ball was snapped over the punter's head. The punter ran back and kicked the ball off the ground and through his own endzone. This resulted in a Safety and Arkansas then kicked off to UT.

I always thought the the correct rule was illegal kicking, which would have instead resulted in a possession turnover to UT at half the distance to the goal. Can any rules expert confirm the correct call? Had that been the ruling, it likely would have negated the importance of the Stoerner fumble (assuming it still played out that way in the end).
it is...the refs blew the call and almost cost UT the game anyway....no surprise there
 
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Question: If the CFP was around back in the 90's and early 2000's, how many championships do you think we could've won? I think Peyton would at least got 1
If the CFP existed from 1980 on, we wouldve had a shot at making it in 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003, etc.

1992, 1993, 2004, 2006 maybe with a little more luck and motivation preventing an extra loss
 
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Nebraska didnt embarrass us in 99, we lost by ten points...in 1997 Nebraska was simply the best team in the country and wouldve manhandled anyone that day

Tennessee earned their NC in 1998, but average QB play and bad coaching cost us in 99
I've watched enough old Fulmer games to notice how inconsistent the coaching was. Way too conservative and could rarely put an entire complete performance together. Like why did the 97 team only beat Vandy 17-10? You don't see Clemson, Bama, or many other great teams do those kinds of things. I feel like I saw smarter coaching than we are used to around here. Just sometimes *cough* the quarterbacking got in the way. Pruitt was all about that aggression.
 
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I'm just wanting to pick the brain of some older folks here. I was five then.

I'm watching the Wyoming game and seeing all these NFL players all over the field. Tee Martin dropping dimes. Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry look ridiculous. Defense has unreal speed and talent.

How did we screw that up and lose three games?

Fulmer lost the team. Too many soon-to-be NFLers played to not get hurt (looking at you Deon Grant, in particular). The rest noted that they were playing behind players who were so scared, playing miserably and CPF allowed it.
 
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Question: If the CFP was around back in the 90's and early 2000's, how many championships do you think we could've won? I think Peyton would at least got 1
Zero. When would Peyton have won? They might have gotten into the playoff in 1995, but no one was beating Nebraska. They wouldn’t have made the playoffs in ‘96, and we saw what happened when they played Nebraska in the Orange Bowl the following year.
 
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I'm just wanting to pick the brain of some older folks here. I was five then.

I'm watching the Wyoming game and seeing all these NFL players all over the field. Tee Martin dropping dimes. Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry look ridiculous. Defense has unreal speed and talent.

How did we screw that up and lose


No David Cutcliffe...To see the difference, refer to the 05 season vs 06 and 07. We should have thrown the checkbook at him to try to keep him from going to Duke...
 
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I was at that '99 Arkansas game. It was senior day. When they announced Stoerner, the entire Tennessee section gave him a standing ovation. Once the game started though, it didn't take long before we knew we were in a dog fight. Felt like we had the ball the entire 1st half, but just couldn't score. Then we couldn't stop Anthony Lucas. After the game, we got swept into the crazy Razorback crowd as they carried the goalposts down the street. We stuck out like a sore thumb with our bright orange. We got teased some, but they were honestly really good sports about it. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Arkansas since then even though the game itself sucked.

We made that miserable I-40 drive too. Wasn't too bad from Ft. Smith up to Fayetteville though. But I thought we played soft, and over confident. Several times, jamal and tee, just took the easy way out and ran out of bounds instead of trying for more. Even then, we had a chance at the end...Never forget the frigging cannon going off at the end of the stadium we were sitting in, every time the Hogs scored. My daughter (then about 10) is still traumatized by it. Our after game experience was a little different... we had gotten a press pass parking spot, and basically had to leave thru campus. We got heckled the whole time. All in all, one of he most disappointing games I've ever been too. In spite of the FLA loss.. we would have gone to the SEC CHamp and beyond, if we had just taken care of business that Saturday.
 
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Speaking of Arkansas, did anyone catch that movie about Brandon Burlsworth ?! It details thier 98 team, and his life. Great movie.
Incredible story for sure. Arkansas would be way down my list for respect but that kid was very unique and inspiring.
 
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Nothing personal but that's a lot of gorgonzola. Since when is having better players, other teams committing penalties, capitalizing on the mistakes of your opponents and your players making great plays lucky? Tennessee didn't get a 5th down like Colorado or any other blatantly "lucky" break like that.

Syracuse - It was pass interference and while maybe it doesn't get called every time, that's the nature of pass interference. Plus if it doesn't get called and UT loses by 2 on the road to a quality non-conference opponent, they still likely are in the championship game at 11-1 and SEC champions. After all, FSU lost to NCSU by 17 points in week 2 and still got there.

Florida - Spurrier didn't believe in giving scholarships to kickers so while Tennessee had a future NFL draft pick as a kicker in Jeff Hall, UF had a kid who was second team all city in high school. Plus if he did make it, the game goes into another OT. Better talent at kicker was the final thing that decided that game.

Auburn - Tennessee lost Jamal Lewis in that game, not a lucky break. Tee Martin was hurt and had to come out for sometime, not a lucky break. The only reason Auburn had the ball inside the one was Tee got crushed and fumbled the ball there. Stopping a team four times from inside the one is players making plays not luck.

Arkansas - The fumble occurred at the 43 yard line. When UT recovered it all Arkansas had to do was stop UT four times and they win. Instead they totally folded and gave up over 40 yards on 4 consecutive rushing plays. And the fumble occurred because Billy Ratliff completely blew up his man and drove him two yards backward into Stoerner. Players making plays for UT and not making plays for Arkansas was the difference.

FSU - See Auburn where Jamal Lewis is lost for the season. Also FSU was able to win out the season including beating #4 UF without Weinke so it's not like they didn't have some talent at backup QB.

That’s a great synopsis. I never thought we were lucky in 1998 by any stretch.
 
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I'm just wanting to pick the brain of some older folks here. I was five then.

I'm watching the Wyoming game and seeing all these NFL players all over the field. Tee Martin dropping dimes. Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry look ridiculous. Defense has unreal speed and talent.

How did we screw that up and lose three games?
Lost to Florida in a game they should have won. Jamaal Lewis stuffed in the backfield on a 3rd or 4th and four on a critical play late in the game. Tn telegraphed the play. Everyone could tell Lewis was getting the ball.
 
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If the CFP existed from 1980 on, we wouldve had a shot at making it in 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003, etc.

1992, 1993, 2004, 2006 maybe with a little more luck and motivation preventing an extra loss

Are you saying this under a hypothetical that UT might have performed differently within the context of the playoff race, or are you saying that they might have made the CFP within the exact same contexts of each of those seasons?
 
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Either of the Florida and Arkansas losses...take your pick. Tennessee is in the SECCG again if they win either of those games. We might not have had a chance to play for a national title with a loss over Arkansas even if we won the SEC though, but we definitely would have if we beat them and won the SECCG.

It's kind of been forgotten because Phil did get a national title and now he's a beloved Papa Bear/elder statesman-type figure, but it should be noted that he underachieved overall with the talent he assembled during his peak years (1995-01). Any of those teams were capable of winning the SEC, but he only won it twice. in those 7 years. Phil really "should" have 3-4 SEC titles to his credit.

1998 was the only year he got one over on Spurrier + saw the season through to completion. He was stymied by him in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, and 2000. He got past him in 2001, but then got upset the very next week. Phil's very fortunate they came through in 1998 because if he did not his legacy is looked at very differently, IMO.
 
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Winning the title in '01 would have meant beating that Miami team. Obviously it's football and it would have been nice to have had a shot but damn that team was ridiculously talented.
so were we.

i remember that 01 sec title game, i was there...i actually had to fly in to ATL frm New Orleans that friday.....was an early flight, nothing bu LSU fans on board...and i'm wearing a TN golf shirt...

very popular...lol. it was fun tho.....

but my biggest concern was that we had already beaten LSU earlier that season...and we were coming off that HUGE win against FL....set up for a let down game and boy did we have one.

i htink Miami ultimately would have probably won the game had we played it. but i think roster wise, we matched up pretty well with them. but make no mistake, if those two teams had palyed each other, it would have been one of those games people would have looked back on and said "do you realize how many NFL players were in that game?"

both rosters were ridiculously loaded with NFL talent. Miami gets the attention because they won it all, so that's cool....no issues with it.
 
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so were we.

i remember that 01 sec title game, i was there...i actually had to fly in to ATL frm New Orleans that friday.....was an early flight, nothing bu LSU fans on board...and i'm wearing a TN golf shirt...

very popular...lol. it was fun tho.....

but my biggest concern was that we had already beaten LSU earlier that season...and we were coming off that HUGE win against FL....set up for a let down game and boy did we have one.

i htink Miami ultimately would have probably won the game had we played it. but i think roster wise, we matched up pretty well with them. but make no mistake, if those two teams had palyed each other, it would have been one of those games people would have looked back on and said "do you realize how many NFL players were in that game?"

both rosters were ridiculously loaded with NFL talent. Miami gets the attention because they won it all, so that's cool....no issues with it.

As stated I would have loved to have seen that game happen but as also stated that team was simply ridiculous.

Averaged 43ppg while giving up 10. 38 players were eventually drafted off that team and 17 were 1st rounders. 13 played in at least one Pro Bowl. Off just the 22 starters for that Rose Bowl team 19 were drafted.
 
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Spurrier, Arkansas had revenge on their mind, and Nebraska was just better, arguably the best team in the country at that time.

The real question is how the 2001 team doesn't win a NC.

This is the truth. I was at that SECCG and hated every second of the METRO ride home with all those smug LSU fans. Vols should have been at the Rose Bowl playing for the Natty.
 
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Either of the Florida and Arkansas losses...take your pick. Tennessee is in the SECCG again if they win either of those games. We might not have had a chance to play for a national title with a loss over Arkansas even if we won the SEC though, but we definitely would have if we beat them and won the SECCG.

It's kind of been forgotten because Phil did get a national title and now he's a beloved Papa Bear/elder statesman-type figure, but it should be noted that he underachieved overall with the talent he assembled during his peak years (1995-01). Any of those teams were capable of winning the SEC, but he only won it twice. in those 7 years. Phil really "should" have 3-4 SEC titles to his credit.

1998 was the only year he got one over on Spurrier + saw the season through to completion. He was stymied by him in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1999, and 2000. He got past him in 2001, but then got upset the very next week. Phil's very fortunate they came through in 1998 because if he did not his legacy is looked at very differently, IMO.
Fulmer had to had been as frustrated against Florida as any UT fan as well...the "modern series" was so different compared to any other for UT

1990 - crushed highly ranked Florida at home
1991 - competitive game in Swamp until late surge by Florida
1992 - crushed highly ranked Florida at home
1993 - lost a close one on the road due to DEFENSE
1994 - Florida was simply a much better team vs our injured worn-down team from the schedule
1995 - Manning had great game and Fulmer had great gameplan to dominate in Swamp, but turnovers and defensive breakdown cost them everything
1996 - UT was definitely tighter and had more pressure to win, once florida completed 4th and 11 for TD, it was a hit in the mouth and although UT played back into it, it was over
1997 - UT played decent, but this was on the coaches, not playing Jamal Lewis, and Florida's defense played nasty
1998 - UT wanted it more and showed it
1999 - UT played a C+ type game and still shouldve won if not for coaching, some questionable late ref calls
2000 - UT dominated the entire game but settled for FGs and lost due to the bad ref call which cost them the SEC east title
2001 - Two great teams, but UT was the better team, and despite the worst game ever by Witten, won the game in the Swamp
2002 - Two rebuilding teams, UT was in it but those rain-soaked turnovers were killers
2003 - Tennessee played harder, especially running the ball and limited mistakes
2004 - Ainge played exceptional for a Freshman, UT got a fortunate call, but still deserved the win
2005 - Urban's first game in the series, defensive struggle, UT had too many missed opportunities on offense
2006 - This one pissed me off, UT was much better and had dominated the game up until the returned TD fumble on Leak which wouldve made it 3 TDs lead called back for a BS penalty
2007 - Florida was the much better team, although UT tried to hang in as long as possible
2008 - Florida simply the better team
2009 - Florida was the better team, although Tennessee hung tough
2010 - Dooley blew this game, Tennessee had a good chance to compete, but turnovers and coaching blew it
2011 - Tennessee again hung tough in Swamp, but Florida was better
2012 - The worst coached game of the Dooley era IMO...those turnovers doomed a likely win
2013 - Florida played harder
2014 - No excuse for UT losing this game, dominated the entire game and got multiple turnovers from Florida, the FG that Florida won by shouldnt have counted as it was snapped after the play clock expired
2015 - Another Butch Jones special, snatched a loss from the jaws of victory, no way we should've lost that game
2016 - Great win but it took the team overcoming bad defensive coaching
2017 - Another game that shouldve been a win for Tennessee, hail mary loss thanks again to Butch
2018/2019 - Florida simply had more talent and depth.

This year should be interesting, but looking back how different would the series be looked at today if UT hangs on and wins the games I bolded and is 17-13 against the Gators?
 
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