How Badly Do We Need Immigrant Labor?

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#126
n_huffhines said:
Because there are better jobs for teenagers now. I worked as a convenience store clerk, a dishwasher, a telemarketer, and at an assisted living facility as a teen.

I didn't know anybody on a farm.
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What did you do at the assisted living facility?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because there are better jobs for teenagers now. I worked as a convenience store clerk, a dishwasher, a telemarketer, and at an assisted living facility as a teen.

I didn't know anybody on a farm.
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When I was in high school, in Knox County, some students went home early to work on the farms..
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just for clarification, what part of their findings make you skeptical? What do you think they are fudging?
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Just for starters, they didn't release how they "recruited" Americans to the job, nor specifics on what they recruited them to.

Having seen the pay and working conditions offered to migrant workers in S GA for decades, and superimposing these travesties on NorCar, I just don't trust the report. Sorry. You can trust it all you want and use it all you want to uphold the political point you want to make. It just holds no water with me due to long term personal acquaintance with the issue.

Again... I've seen what these migrant workers make, the conditions they work in, and I am not surprised that they can't get American citizens to do it. I've also seen that, despite what they tell the gov't, they aren't really trying to hire Americans, because with Americans they couldn't get away with the unethical lies and illegal activity they pull on the migrant workers, whether visas or illegals.

And further, on a practical level, I don't think it appropriate to build your point on a report released by that co-op. It's like the reports on the evils of soy milk that are based on the reports by the dairy industry.

In other words, you can roll a report out to say pretty much whatever you want. A report alone proves little more than your willingness to search for things that reinforce what you want to say anyway.

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Flawed study seeks to justify discrimination against U.S. workers | NC Policy Watch

I highly recommend everyone in this thread read the linked dissection of Huff's "report".

I also recommend you visit this site:

Low Wages - : National Farm Worker Ministry

The facts of the matter is that the report was unvetted, and based on the numbers supplied by a company that makes its money by supplying Visaed workers, and can only make that money if American workers don't apply. The first article lists just how American workers were 'recruited' (read: not told about or referred to the jobs). The report also ignored the 9000+ American farm workers in NCar. As for turnover, the critique references the known ways that visa-preferring farms promote turnover of American workers.

It concludes:

As noted, the study claims there is justification for further reducing protections for U.S. workers. The study concludes that the availability U.S. labor won’t respond to increased wages or improved working conditions. But of course this “logic” flies in the face of basic market rules. In any other industry, aside from fully utilizing job services, the solution would be better wages and working conditions.

The truth is there are many workers – both U.S. citizens and authorized aliens – that need and want agricultural jobs. And should immigration reform proposals currently before Congress pass, there will be many more legal workers.

The existence of foreign labor and the need to protect U.S. workers are not mutually exclusive. Let’s hope the public isn’t fooled by this ill-conceived and badly-flawed effort to cloak discrimination against American workers.
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DancingOutlaw said:
I imagine he visited each room to make conversation with the residents.

Old man: You know I earned a Silver Star on Iwo Jima?

Huff: Link?
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Don't forget the opinionated Reason.com article stating that they don't think he earned the Silver Star, therefore he didn't. Reason.com fo lyfe.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I imagine he visited each room to make conversation with the residents.

Old man: You know I earned a Silver Star on Iwo Jima?

Huff: Link?
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Not elderly assistance. Troubled youth and in some cases, mentally disabled adults who were court ordered to have supervision.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Right, but we're on too far of a tangent now...

We're not talking about saving money in a bank vs sending money to Mexico. In fact, if we save money on cheaper produce, then we have more money to put in the bank to be the "lifeblood of the economy", LOL.
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By using illegals, eh. Jackboot Huff.
 
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#140
volfanjustin said:
we didnt get great by letting americans get undercut in pay by immigrants.
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an unnamed comedian was once quoted "if you have a job that can be claimed by someone who doesn't even speak the language"

his words ring true. sorry if that offends your cousins
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Just for starters, they didn't release how they "recruited" Americans to the job, nor specifics on what they recruited them to.

Having seen the pay and working conditions offered to migrant workers in S GA for decades, and superimposing these travesties on NorCar, I just don't trust the report. Sorry. You can trust it all you want and use it all you want to uphold the political point you want to make. It just holds no water with me due to long term personal acquaintance with the issue.

Again... I've seen what these migrant workers make, the conditions they work in, and I am not surprised that they can't get American citizens to do it. I've also seen that, despite what they tell the gov't, they aren't really trying to hire Americans, because with Americans they couldn't get away with the unethical lies and illegal activity they pull on the migrant workers, whether visas or illegals.

And further, on a practical level, I don't think it appropriate to build your point on a report released by that co-op. It's like the reports on the evils of soy milk that are based on the reports by the dairy industry.

In other words, you can roll a report out to say pretty much whatever you want. A report alone proves little more than your willingness to search for things that reinforce what you want to say anyway.

:hi:
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Now why would the good tobacco industry lie to you about the dangers of smoking, you can't smoke if you're dead amirite?
 
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#146
I am so glad we have advanced to the point in America where we have to take advantage of other people not being American to enjoy being American.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am so glad we have advanced to the point in America where we have to take advantage of other people not being American to enjoy being American.
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Conservatives believe in personal accountability until they don't like the result. Then they say someone in a voluntary contract is being taken advantage of.

Cry me a freaking river. Ask yourself, what do immigrants want and why do you think a busybody like yourself knows better than them?
 
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