How bad does UT (or you) want to win?

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First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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There comes expectations with the kind of money Texas A&M was paying. I do think it would take longer for UT to make a move than A&M did, but I think a bunch of mediocre season like Jimbo had would get him fired here too.
 
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Apples to oranges. aTm didn't face what UT did with Pruitt's screw job. Jimbo has been there for much longer. That roster is his. His resources are elite. If we throw up a season like theirs with a roster so laden with talent when Heupel reaches that point in his career here, I suspect the outcome will be exactly the same.
 
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Plus with the money they put into recruiting and the talent level on that team it was a deep disapointment. I also believe there were problems in the lockerroom. Remeber Jimbo also made the boosters mad at FSU and they were talking of firing him there before he left (after winning a national championship)
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Look at Jimbo's record when aTm is away. aTm hasn't won an away game against an SEC opponent since 2020, or something like that.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Yes. Fisher’s win loss record was just a factor to him being let go.

The biggest reason he was fired is because he has the number 4 team in terms of talent and was struggling to make a bowl game.

If we get to a point where we are top 5 in team talent and continually underperform then yes, we’d make the same call, financially permitting.
 
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Every team that has had a #1 recruiting class in has won a National Championship within 4 years of the #1 class, since the BCS era. They are not even sniffing a Championship.
 
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If a coach is here for about a decade and enjoys moderate success, I'm not so sure he gets canned after a stinker season.

Jimbo was just resistant to change. Much like Phil. Both wanted to control their offensive coordinators instead of worrying about their HC duties. Both basically got canned for the same reason.

Quite honestly, with the league moving as it is, I think we can kiss the days of undefeated seasons over-for everybody.

While everybody is up in arms here about an 8-4 season in 2023, they may want to take a gander at the future. The league is going to be 2 teams at 10-2 and 14 others scattered between 5-7 and 9-3. Vandy and another rotating poor soul bringing up the rear at 3-9 or 2-10. It's just the way the math works out

Quite frankly, if UT can average 8-9 wins a season going forward and have a playoff run every 4-5 years-I am in no way going to be up in arms (unless we lose to Vandy, etc).

Once UGAs little run is over, then I think you can close down the "dynasty" term for a decade or so-for anybody. Things are simply moving in a way where parity is going to be king and each week is going to be a free for all.

Extra playoff games means extra opportunities for the TCUs of the world,etc to shock you.

Basically the future might not be all sunshine and roses for UT-or anybody in the SEC. Certainly going to be exciting though.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
First let me just state clearly I am in no way calling for any of our coaching staff to be fired before people start belly aching. With that said...

Jimbo Fisher just got fired with a 6-4 record and is owed 3x more money than any coach who has ever been fired $76M.

He has had 1 losing season (5-7)
Has an overall record of 45-25 (.643 win %)
Has beaten all of his division rivals at least once
Beat #10 Arkansas, #8 LSU, #6 LSU #4 Florida and #1 Bama
Won the Orange Bowl

That certainly got my attention and got me thinking.

So, would UT ever fire a coach that did that? Forget about how much money owed. Would UT feel so strongly about winning that they would let THAT coach go? I think being in the SEC with two new good teams coming into the league we are in a whole new world of compete-now and win-now.

I'll hang up and listen.
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As a matter of fact, yes. Bill Battle was HC at Tennessee from 1970-1976, finishing with a 59-22-2 record, a winning percentage of .723. And Coach Battle never had a losing record; his worse record being 6-5 in his last season. He also coached the Vols in five bowl games, going 4-1. This is a considerably better winning percentage than Jimbo had at A&M.

Now, there's more to this than meets the eye. Coach Battle's teams won 10 or more games in this first three seasons, leading to a sparkling 31-5 record. After five seasons, his record was still an excellent 46-12-2. His teams then went 13-10 in his last two seasons, with no bowl appearances. The two biggest factors to Coach Battle's being forced out after 1976 was: 1) No SEC championships, despite a glittering record. 2) A steady decline in the team's wins and losses, due in part, to questionable coaching decisions, so-so recruiting, and the team facilities falling into poor shape. A possible third reason was that Coach Battle had played college football at the Vols biggest rival, Alabama, which like with Pruitt, was more than the fanbase could handle.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Jimbo was in his 6th year and wasn't coming close to meeting expectations especially when you factor in the talent on the roster as well.
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This. Their record under Jimbo was similar to Sumlin's, and Jimbo was given 9 figures to get them over the hump........ aka win the west, win the SEC, get to the playoffs, and win it all the way he did that one time at FSU.

He never did, so if they're going to pay someone 9 figures, they aren't going to have much patience.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmfao if you don’t want to fire everyone right now, you don’t want to win enough!
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Yep. That mindset is probably an outgrowth of the PlayStation college football games where you hit reset and immediately start fresh…just fire a coach and next week we’ll be better…
 
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1, he should have won more and been alot more competitive in the SEC. he was given the best situations and by not doing so he failed as a coach...
 
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If after 6 seasons The Hype isn't doing any better than 8-4, 9-3 seasons the powers that be will need to consider letting him go.
 
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