How about stop talking about a new Coach?

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snake_anthony said:
Well I guess. I was hoping to influence a positive change in the culture of Volnation on this forum.

So much doom and gloom.

We need more "sunshine pumpers".

How is positivity a negative thing? Negative things are negative things and have a negative effect on fans, and recruits.

It's just shooting ourselves in the foot and at least, doing ourselves and no one else any good.
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Would you consider losing to every ranked team a negative?

Dools a negavol...
 
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snake_anthony said:
Don't want to support Tennessee football and always be unhappy with not being top 5 every single season forever then GTFO!

You'll never be happy.
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Would be happy with a single win over a ranked opponent or a win against an SEC opponent not named Vandy or Kentucky.
 
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spudvol said:
LSU, Auburn(2010) and USCe use a 4-3 D, can they not compete in the SEC?



0-5 in SEC play for the 3rd year in a row makes you happy?


Is it logical to support a sinking ship? Should the band play on?
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1.Did LSU or USCe wins the SEC? Has USCe ever? Cam Newton won it. Look at Auburn now.

2. No. Of course not. I'm torn too on whether to be posivol or negavol. I chose to have faith an believe in the players and AD. Bc as long as I go to the games with family and friends and not get stomped out by 40 each week and see progress I should have no reason to oust every coach and keep paying millions in buyouts. I bleed orange. Just choose to keep in in my veins than to spill it all over the floor. That only leads to death. That's my point.


3. We're sunk. And yeah. Speaking if. The band does need to play on. Play a lot more if you ask me. Hell Alabama's band played loud when they failed a 3rd down conversion. What? That's support even in failure. I hate to say it. I never thought I d see the day Alabama was more supportive of their team than we were. Win or lose. I'd rather be a Tennessee fan 0-13 than an Alabama fan at 13-0.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Well I guess. I was hoping to influence a positive change in the culture of Volnation on this forum.

So much doom and gloom.

We need more "sunshine pumpers".

How is positivity a negative thing? Negative things are negative things and have a negative effect on fans, and recruits.

It's just shooting ourselves in the foot and at least, doing ourselves and no one else any good.
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oh there is sunshine being pumped in this Forum, make no mistake.
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
Would you consider losing to every ranked team a negative?

Dools a negavol...
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Yes. Of course it's a negative. But there will be positives and negatives all the time.

It sucks we are unfortunately seeing that as the outcome. But we have gotten more and more competitive under Dooley. Like he said, just getting over that hump. Ya know?

It sucks. I hate losing. I hate seeing our boys walk off that field after loses. But they haven't laid down.

Look. If we loss to Vandy or Kentucky, I won't have any other choice than to come to the dark side. And hope we win out.

I believe we have the talent and experience we need to to at LEAST be able to do that.

If not. I'll surrender. The SC loss almost broke me. But I have to remain aware we have made changes and keep faith that the changes the AD and Dooley felt we're needed will pay off. And get us all the wins we are looking for without being unreasonable even it that ones to fruition.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Yes. Of course it's a negative. But there will be positives and negatives all the time.
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I've just not seen enough positive to push the negative back in a corner and give Dooley one more year...

Too each their own I guess but just out of curiosity name some positives you have taken from this season...

Is simply competitive play and moral victories enough for you...?...

Wins (not garunteed wins) over the bottom feeders enough?
 
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BearCat204 said:
If you dont want to read about coaching speculation and rumor, GTFO of the coaching speculation and rumor forum.
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Sorry Bruh!

Wrong forum I guess. I'm new to this. As this was my first thread.

Didn't know you'd be so anal.

You must be thinking a lot about Gruden.

What was he wearing last night?
Where's he flying to?
What did he say about orange juice?

Again. Sorry I made the mistake of posting this in the wrong thread. Just thought maye we could benefit ourselves and the state f Tennessee football if we weren't constantly talking about firing a coach and hiring another one. That maybe we could help come up with ideas that could be of immediate benefit. At Least help keep each others heads high.
 
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JuggernaUT_VOL said:
I've just not seen enough positive to push the negative back in a corner and give Dooley one more year...

Too each their own I guess but just out of curiosity name some positives you have taken from this season...

Is simply competitive play and moral victories enough for you...?...

Wins (not garunteed wins) over the bottom feeders enough?
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Good questions.

1. Are they good enough? No. They aren't.
But...seeing our team stay competitive for 60 minutes is. Scoring as many as we did on Georgia in their home, Progress in the running game, Our lines progress is, almost beating SC on their home are positives.

Remember last year when we were done at halftime? We aren't anymore. And had it not been or that fumble we could have won that game of not push it into overtime.

2. Wins over bottom feeders isn't good enough. But we are a few bad plays away from beating anyone but Bama this year. That's progress in my book. I can hold my head high after getting past that initial feeling after a loss bc at Least I'm seeing heart, competitiveness and progress. We'll get there. I have faith.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Sorry Bruh!

Wrong forum I guess. I'm new to this. As this was my first thread.

Didn't know you'd be so anal.

You must be thinking a lot about Gruden.

What was he wearing last night?
Where's he flying to?
What did he say about orange juice?

Again. Sorry I made the mistake of posting this in the wrong thread. Just thought maye we could benefit ourselves and the state f Tennessee football if we weren't constantly talking about firing a coach and hiring another one. That maybe we could help come up with ideas that could be of immediate benefit. At Least help keep each others heads high.
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What did you expect? This is like going to the pub section and announcing that everyone should stop talking about beer.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Sorry Bruh!

Wrong forum I guess. I'm new to this. As this was my first thread.

Didn't know you'd be so anal.

You must be thinking a lot about Gruden.

What was he wearing last night?
Where's he flying to?
What did he say about orange juice?

Again. Sorry I made the mistake of posting this in the wrong thread. Just thought maye we could benefit ourselves and the state f Tennessee football if we weren't constantly talking about firing a coach and hiring another one. That maybe we could help come up with ideas that could be of immediate benefit. At Least help keep each others heads high.
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Most likely we would just keep a sorry coach.
 
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Think about this. In 98' we were a few plays away from having lost against Arkansas, Florida, Auburn and Syracuse. They just wet our way. Didn't this year. But even being able to say that we even had that chance on every loss besides Bama is way more than I've seen in last few years. We could, if not for a few mistakes, be a theoretical 1 loss team! I think that shows progress.

If we keep our playmakers. Think about what we could do and where we could be next year. I was hoping this year would be it too. But obviously we aren't there. But imagine when we do get over that hump? It will be something!
 
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snake_anthony said:
Think about this. In 98' we were a few plays away from having lost against Arkansas, Florida, Auburn and Syracuse. They just wet our way. Didn't this year. But even being able to say that we even had that chance on every loss besides Bama is way more than I've seen in last few years. We could, if not for a few mistakes, be a theoretical 1 loss team! I think that shows progress.

If we keep our playmakers. Think about what we could do and where we could be next year. I was hoping this year would be it too. But obviously we aren't there. But imagine when we do get over that hump? It will be something!
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In a way this is exactly the problem. We were a couple plays away from beating LSU and NC in Dooleys first year. A good coach would have stolen some of those by now. This is just a poorly coached team.

Ill also say I was a huge Dooley supporter until this year. This should have been the year we turned the corner.
 
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Maybe being a doormat for a fourth year is your thing, but its not mine. Your argument is defeatist to the 100th degree.

If you do not expect to compete for championships almost every year follow Ole Miss or Kentucky. I do, and The Vols should never fall to the caliber of Kentucky and Vandy, well below them actually. Both have more SEC wins in the last 2 seasons than we.
 
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DarthVaul said:
What did you expect? This is like going to the pub section and announcing that everyone should stop talking about beer.
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True that.

Should have thought about where to post or another second. Just get irritated too sometimes.

I don't remember the last time I walked out of Neyland with a victory I could be proud of.

NC State was the best feeling I've had in years.

I nearly got arrested at the Music City Bowl I was so pissed and drunk.

It's hard I get it. I walked back to the RV with my wife after the Bama loss and it hit me where we are.

After the SC loss. I didn't speak to anyone for the rest of the day.

I want it change so bad too. I guess I have more faith in Dooley for some reason.

Maybe it's my sensible side. Looking at it from a business standpoint.

We can't make that change during the season. And Maybe Dooley proves us all wrong in the end. But with the state of the budget and the knowledge we'd just be running yet another risk by hiring another coach, just seems logical to keep Dooley bc I do see the progress. I see a man's character we need and want at Tennessee. The SEC and recruiting is really hard. Dooleys done good considering.
 
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snake_anthony said:
Let me make this short.

Besides the contracts and buyouts...

Consider we all and the athletic department understood we were and are in a rebuilding process.

Given that. We know its a hard road to travel.

When Dooley took on the job, when no one else would, we started walking down that road. With the strong state of the SEC it's understandable it's hard enough to crawl down that road much less run down it.

A 4-3 D wasn't going to allow us to compete like we want in the SEC. So what happens?

Hart and Dooley chose a DC that would help us transition to a 3-4.

Yes that sets us back a bit more. But everyone is talking about it takes money to make money. Well...same thing apples here. You have to set yourself back to be able to move forward. Like a rollercoaster.

Hart and Dooley understand, as well as boosters, that we may not have instant success, but allow them to find players that know the system coming in and compete.

With the talent we have, I've been happy with them competing like they have this year. Yes, I'd love to see more W's but they will come.

We now have a rebuilt foundation with talented players. We are growing.

So Hart knows what making the transition to a 3-4 could and probably would mean.

Dooley is a character guy. We don't need to keep talking about new coaches.

We need to talk about what changes on the field we need to make so that those moral victories turn into victories!

And it's not a new coach at the moment.

Our fan base needs to step it up in their combined logic. Be logical. Not emotional. Easier said than done, but still we need to learnt to bit the bullet.

Bc even if we hired Gruden or anyone, they would need time to put their stamp on the program and cross their fingers and pray theirs will be competitive.

The nature of the game is there are no guarantees.

Just bc Dooley doesn't have the rep or looks you might like doesn't mean once he puts into place his system and get the players AFTER rebuilding the foundation that he won't be successful.

Look at our offense, great!

Look at our defense, not so great!

That's bc we had to take a step back again to transition for our future, a brighter more competitive future, and its going to take a minute to get those players on defense.

So chill on filling up every thread with talking new coaches and be logical and allow our AD and coaches do what needs to be done even if they are putting the bullet on our mouths to bite.

Lets go enjoy some Fall Ball and try to shine some sun in these flowers. They need food and support

By the end of contracts the transition will be made and the players will be instilled. Allowing a new coach, then, to have the team and system they need to be successful as compete, if Dooley can't get it done by then.

Go Vols! Go BIG ORANGE!!!

(Guess I didn't make that short)
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It's been made well known that Dooley isnt a high character guy and is very disliked by the people that have to work with and around him. He is not a community guy and not liked by former players. He has to go.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Maybe being a doormat for a fourth year is your thing, but its not mine. Your argument is defeatist to the 100th degree.

If you do not expect to compete for championships almost every year follow Ole Miss or Kentucky. I do, and The Vols should never fall to the caliber of Kentucky and Vandy, well below them actually. Both have more SEC wins in the last 2 seasons than we.
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Come on. Do you really expect to compete for championships year in year out in the SEC?

Do you think by dumping one coach for another risk is going to make us SEC champs next year?

I agree with you. We shouldn't fall that far. But we have. And in one of my last responses explained the progress I've seen. At least we have become competitive on games. That was our next logical step. Accomplished. Now the next one is winning them. And when we do. We'll be relevant again and not being compared to Vandy or Kentucky. And I don't do that now anyway.
 
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OP, I used to agree with a lot of what you are saying. I have since reformed. The fact is other than a vastly improved run game we are no better than last year despite having more talent.

We have lost some close ones that we should have Won. Not because of luck, but because of poor technique, bad tackling, poor defensive play, lack of preparedness, poor game calling, lack of game management (time outs etc), and the list goes on.

We have enough talent to be 7-1 or 6-2 right now. Sadly we were out coached in 5 games and out talented in 1.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
It's been made well known that Dooley isnt a high character guy and is very disliked by the people that have to work with and around him. He is not a community guy and not liked by former players. He has to go.
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Well that's an interesting thought. I can see how you feel that way. But MAYBE and consider with me, that he was never given a chance, the majority of the fans hate him for not being top 5. Usually when you're so unliked and not trusted from the get go, you tend to not put yourself in the spotlight so much. You do your job the best you can. He's had a lot of adversity to fight through ad no support from anyone really. I know that in my life when I'm getting attacked from left and right I'm not in the best of moods and the easiest to work with. Constant criticism isn't going to make anyone seem more personable. Having 5* players 3 deep is going to make your job a lot easier and give you more time for luncheons and fundraising during a season. It's a hard thing for him to have undertaken. If he were to succeed, I'm sure he'll become more of the local, outgoing person than he is now. He has a lot of weight on this shoulders.
 
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