How about CJP recruiting!

#51
#51
The Dog said:
I, also think the 20 recruits UT has right now, will be ranked higher after the high school football season is over than it is right now. Why ? Because Maurer, Keyton, Beasley, McBride and Harrison (probably many more recruits) will make huge jumps during the season. In fact, I'm taking all bets that Keyton will be a 5-star, if he stays healthy all year.
Click to expand...

Good point. Those 4 touchdowns he scored in his team's opener sure couldn't hurt.
 
#52
#52
The Dog said:
Some of u guys absolutely amaze me. Yes, UT is 6th in the SEC, but more importantly, UT is 2nd in the East behind Georgia. Georgia won the SEC last year and was an overtime away from being National Champs. Georgia can also pull a top 5 recruiting class by taking everyone of their recruits from metro Atlanta. Like BOT said, Pruitt has a top 10 class after the worst season in UT history which makes this even more impressive. I, also think the 20 recruits UT has right now, will be ranked higher after the high school football season is over than it is right now. Why ? Because Maurer, Keyton, Beasley, McBride and Harrison (probably many more recruits) will make huge jumps during the season. In fact, I'm taking all bets that Keyton will be a 5-star, if he stays healthy all year.
Click to expand...
2nd in the east aint saying much. I mean besides UF, no one should should stand a chance with us, GA, and UF. So we're 2nd of 7, with 4 being trash schools. We can't stand a chance against Bama now and now GA is out recruiting them and will continue, obviously cause the state is loaded and they are successful right now. So we're 6th overall. Bama, Auburn LSU, and aTm. Again Arkansas, and the Mississippi school's are trash. Either way, we're stuck in the middle where we've been.


As others have stated, the top 10 is only current. And it is overrated because it won't stick when it's all over with. It's like preseason rankings. Say we start out 4-0 and sneak in the top 25. It won't matter cause soon as we lose to GA, BAMA, and Auburn, we're dropping again.

Your last statement is possible, but other schools could have recruits due a bump too....

If we can manage an 8-4 type season, win a bowl game and not get blown out by the big 3. I expect recruiting will pick up. On the other hand GA more than likely takes the East and recruiting remains high obviously. Lose to UF and they'll jump us in recruiting next year more than likely, lose to SC and Missouri and we're going to remain stuck in the middle recruiting, unless Pruitt some how takes off in year 2 with these avg. classes. That's why this recruiting cycle and this season is so critical. We're already too far behind talent wise. And who knows, maybe Pruitt will take off and do more with less. Or he could be a complete bust. I just know, I'm sick of being stuck in the middle and celebrating moral victories. And knowing this class is far from a true top 10 class as is, the future feels like more of the same. I'm cautiously optimistic, though fwiw
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jack Burton and swampfoxfan
#53
#53
I think there is going to be a lot of movement yet...it's early so some of these may move out for better recruits
 
#54
#54
#55
#55
VolForLife83 said:
2nd in the east aint saying much. I mean besides UF, no one should should stand a chance with us, GA, and UF. So we're 2nd of 7, with 4 being trash schools. We can't stand a chance against Bama now and now GA is out recruiting them and will continue, obviously cause the state is loaded and they are successful right now. So we're 6th overall. Bama, Auburn LSU, and aTm. Again Arkansas, and the Mississippi school's are trash. Either way, we're stuck in the middle where we've been.


As others have stated, the top 10 is only current. And it is overrated because it won't stick when it's all over with. It's like preseason rankings. Say we start out 4-0 and sneak in the top 25. It won't matter cause soon as we lose to GA, BAMA, and Auburn, we're dropping again.

Your last statement is possible, but other schools could have recruits due a bump too....

If we can manage an 8-4 type season, win a bowl game and not get blown out by the big 3. I expect recruiting will pick up. On the other hand GA more than likely takes the East and recruiting remains high obviously. Lose to UF and they'll jump us in recruiting next year more than likely, lose to SC and Missouri and we're going to remain stuck in the middle recruiting, unless Pruitt some how takes off in year 2 with these avg. classes. That's why this recruiting cycle and this season is so critical. We're already too far behind talent wise. And who knows, maybe Pruitt will take off and do more with less. Or he could be a complete bust. I just know, I'm sick of being stuck in the middle and celebrating moral victories. And knowing this class is far from a true top 10 class as is, the future feels like more of the same. I'm cautiously optimistic, though fwiw
Click to expand...
WTLDR.
Thing is Shadow, we know how you and a few others feel about Pruitt, you rarely miss a chance to take your shots at him.

Just speaking for myself, but it just seems hypocritical, at the least, to argue in one thread about no way we win more than 5 games this year after hiring a coach that's never been a HC before, coming off a 4-8 season, which is our worst ever and a cluster F of a coaching search that replaced our New AD with a "washed up coach" for his replacement. Blah blah blah.

Now in this thread.....

I don't know, whine much?
 
  • Like
Reactions: butchna, hmhawk and Boca Vol
#56
#56
Don't matter how well he recruits. What can he do with them? Seems like we had a master recruiter not long ago that didn't know what to do with them when they got here. Can Pruitt finish the product? WVU and UF will show whether we have the right ingredients for a winning program imo.
 
  • Like
Reactions: a vol n tears and Boca Vol
#57
#57
Reading through this thread as it seems most things are these days one is asked to choose between extremes. One end of the line exending toward infinity is CJP is doing a wonderful job recruting and his recruits will bring championships and the other end of that same line extending in the other direction is CJP is an unproven piece of crap coach that can't out recruit 5 other schools in the SEC. The truth most often lies between the extremes. IMO on that same line CJP has done a exceptionally well done job of recruiting giuven the dumpster fire he walked into after the 2017 season. However for him to succeed year in and year out at the level fans and grads of UT expect he has to get to where he recruits at being somewhere around #1 to #3 in the SEC year in and year out. There will not be nor can ever be happiness at UT for being #6 at anything. When UT as a program begins celebrating and chanting how great it is being 6th in the SEC in recruiting "We're #6!! We're #6!!" and playing Rocky Top in support, time for me to turn in my fan card. Pickled tink for being #6 is Vandyish.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: OneVolNation, TN Outlaw, ABINGDON VOL FAN and 1 other person
#58
#58
VolForLife83 said:
2nd in the east aint saying much. I mean besides UF, no one should should stand a chance with us, GA, and UF. So we're 2nd of 7, with 4 being trash schools. We can't stand a chance against Bama now and now GA is out recruiting them and will continue, obviously cause the state is loaded and they are successful right now. So we're 6th overall. Bama, Auburn LSU, and aTm. Again Arkansas, and the Mississippi school's are trash. Either way, we're stuck in the middle where we've been.
Click to expand...
you say it ain't saying much, but you just showed why, relatively speaking, it is. the two programs that are two of our cheif rivals, are 1 and 2 in the country in recruiting, and just played each other for a natty.

we're not there obviously. but relative to Auburn, LSU, UF, USCe, we're at that level, and ahead of a couple of those. you're opinion of those other schools being trash is also relative. USCe, MSU, Ole Miss have all made pretty big strides competitively speaking, both on and off the field. it just is what it is right now. giong forward, if 3-4 years from now, i'd say we should see exactly what you described, UF, UT, and UGA pulling away from the rest of the East, with UGA having at least a 2 year head start on us.


As others have stated, the top 10 is only current. And it is overrated because it won't stick when it's all over with. It's like preseason rankings. Say we start out 4-0 and sneak in the top 25. It won't matter cause soon as we lose to GA, BAMA, and Auburn, we're dropping again.

Your last statement is possible, but other schools could have recruits due a bump too....
Click to expand...
people pay waaay to much attention to the ranking. the ranking will take care of itself, and as always, it's fluid. there's still a lot of moving parts to it, and i would imagine you'll see our current committment list change some beofre signing day, and you'll probably see some pretty good additions....and at the end of the day, when you look at the roster and have ?'s about competitive depth at OL, DL, and DB, i give you the 2019 class as the solution to that problem. if nothing else, we've addressed those 3 main concerns.

If we can manage an 8-4 type season, win a bowl game and not get blown out by the big 3. I expect recruiting will pick up. On the other hand GA more than likely takes the East and recruiting remains high obviously. Lose to UF and they'll jump us in recruiting next year more than likely, lose to SC and Missouri and we're going to remain stuck in the middle recruiting, unless Pruitt some how takes off in year 2 with these avg. classes. That's why this recruiting cycle and this season is so critical. We're already too far behind talent wise. And who knows, maybe Pruitt will take off and do more with less. Or he could be a complete bust. I just know, I'm sick of being stuck in the middle and celebrating moral victories. And knowing this class is far from a true top 10 class as is, the future feels like more of the same. I'm cautiously optimistic, though fwiw
Click to expand...
Pruitt has been quoted by commits and prospects alike that he's not sugar coating what the prospects could be for the 2018 season. so while i agree what happens this season it's going to be important to show that we're not that far away, i don't think that means we have to win 8 or 9 games. GA and BAma are going to have the 2 best classes in the country. not much is going to change that at this point. point being, i don't think we're going to have a great season, but i don't think we're going to see a repeat of last year either. win the games you're supposed to. maybe get an upset or two in there...but go to a bowl, and just have the ability to show you can compete, and that we really are just needing upgraded personnel to consistently compete with the UGA's, Bama's etc...of the world.

it's not that he gets a pass for this year, as much as it is that he's set the right expectations with prospects.

if i had to pick a single game on the schedule that doesn't need to go badly, i'd say UF. huge recruiting weekend for the 19 and 20 classes.

for now though, i think you just have to acknowledge it for what it is....a really good class that addresses major needs. and coming off the season, and coaching search, we had, i think it bodes well for the future.
 
#61
#61
Brave Volunteer said:
He's not wrong. That WILL be the likely scenario.
Click to expand...
how do you know? i'd tell you we're going to finish with AT LEAST 2 more 5* top 20 players nationally, and a 4*.

that won't be enough to put us in the top 5 at the end. but this class isn't going to go backwards by a lot., if at all. w/nothing else changing,getting those 3 would put us in the top 5 right now. looking at the programs from 5-10 right now, there would be some movement, and we'd slide back to somewhere around 9 or 10 when it's all said and done.

any other changes made could obviouisly affect it as well.

long way to December and February.
 
  • Like
Reactions: norriscraftbasser and ValleyAlVol
#62
#62
Tennessee coming off the worse season in it's history...currently #10 class in the nation. It only gets better from here in my opinion. I believe there are a couple of big commits that we are still expected to land as well. Look, no one would be doing cartwheels if we were 10th if we had an established coach and were regularly going to bowl games. Yes, we are Tennessee and should always be recruiting well but considering the train wreck we just disembarked from I believe we are in a very good position. Let us look at this thing in the context of where we are now and the season we just had.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SDV
#63
#63
jakez4ut said:
how do you know? i'd tell you we're going to finish with AT LEAST 2 more 5* top 20 players nationally, and a 4*.

that won't be enough to put us in the top 5 at the end. but this class isn't going to go backwards by a lot., if at all. w/nothing else changing,getting those 3 would put us in the top 5 right now. looking at the programs from 5-10 right now, there would be some movement, and we'd slide back to somewhere around 9 or 10 when it's all said and done.

any other changes made could obviouisly affect it as well.

long way to December and February.
Click to expand...
Someone posted here that we may only have 2 more commitments to fill. If that is the case we are going to drop even further than # 20.
 
#64
#64
ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Someone posted here that we may only have 2 more commitments to fill. If that is the case we are going to drop even further than # 20.
Click to expand...
further than 20? lol.

we're already and 10, and have prospects to get to 5 right now. and this class just isn't done yet. there's probably gonna be some movement in this class that will make some room for 1 or 2 more guys.

i'll just put it this way, i'm not concerned one bit about where this class gets ranked. this class is good, and it addresses major needs, with some really quality players. especially on the OL and in the secondary.
 
#65
#65
Jack Burton said:
Everything he stated is true. We won’t stay top 10 at this rate.
Click to expand...
People don’t wanna hear it, but those who follow it and understand where we currently are know it’s 100% true. Off to a very good start, but have to close with the top guys on their list or we’re gonna end up 15th or so rather than top 7 or 8 which is where we need to be.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jack Burton
#66
#66
KBVol said:
People don’t wanna hear it, but those who follow it and understand where we currently are know it’s 100% true. Off to a very good start, but have to close with the top guys on their list or we’re gonna end up 15th or so rather than top 7 or 8 which is where we need to be.
Click to expand...
and those that don't follow the recruiting very close, are really just glossing over a lot of context in regards to how this cycle is really going with many of the comments in this thread. a lot of uninformed comments and opinions.
 
#68
#68
BigOrangeTrain said:
After the worst season in school history, how can you expect better? Pruitt is facing something neither Majors, Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley or Butch had to deal with. I mean did you expect him to just walk in and bring all kinds of elite recruits? I mean what is there to sell these recruits on at this point?
Click to expand...

Did you miss the part where he said " I think Pruitt is doing a very good job"?

It's the same refrain since Kiffin. According to a lot of posters, we should never hope for or expect better from the new coach because of the previous circumstances left by the former coach.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jack Burton
#69
#69
Behr said:
WTLDR.
Thing is Shadow, we know how you and a few others feel about Pruitt, you rarely miss a chance to take your shots at him.

Just speaking for myself, but it just seems hypocritical, at the least, to argue in one thread about no way we win more than 5 games this year after hiring a coach that's never been a HC before, coming off a 4-8 season, which is our worst ever and a cluster F of a coaching search that replaced our New AD with a "washed up coach" for his replacement. Blah blah blah.

Now in this thread.....

I don't know, whine much?
Click to expand...
I haven't took any shots at him and have never said anything about winning only 5 games? The most I've said, is that him and this staff is unproven. And on paper, we could win 8-9 games. I think we should br able to beat everyone on the schedule, except Ga Auburn and Alabama and WV is a toss up
 
#70
#70
VolForLife83 said:
I haven't took any shots at him and have never said anything about winning only 5 games? The most I've said, is that him and this staff is unproven. And on paper, we could win 8-9 games. I think we should br able to beat everyone on the schedule, except Ga Auburn and Alabama and WV is a toss up
Click to expand...
on paper, apparently everyone disagrees with that or we'd be projected to do that. lol.

we all think we should be able to do that. we just may not be capable of it presently. we'll see. i'm more optimistic these days, and im hoping it's because of some of the tangible football reasons that would justify it, and not because we're a little over a week out, and i've just gone in full on excited fan mode. i'll still say 7-5 this season.
 
#71
#71
JonGrudensAgent said:
Did you miss the part where he said " I think Pruitt is doing a very good job"?

It's the same refrain since Kiffin. According to a lot of posters, we should never hope for or expect better from the new coach because of the previous circumstances left by the former coach.
Click to expand...
i think most are more hopeful and expect more with this staff. just maybe not in year one. past that, i think the hopes and expectations are actually pretty high.
 
#72
#72
ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Someone posted here that we may only have 2 more commitments to fill. If that is the case we are going to drop even further than # 20.
Click to expand...
I will take that bet. Anything u want to bet, a 12-pack, change avi's, self ban for a year, any effing thing. There is no way UT finishes out of the top 20 in recruiting, this year. U wanna put your money or whatever, where your mouth is ?
 
  • Like
Reactions: FREAKIN ORANGE and butchna
#73
#73
jakez4ut said:
how do you know? i'd tell you we're going to finish with AT LEAST 2 more 5* top 20 players nationally, and a 4*.

that won't be enough to put us in the top 5 at the end. but this class isn't going to go backwards by a lot., if at all. w/nothing else changing,getting those 3 would put us in the top 5 right now. looking at the programs from 5-10 right now, there would be some movement, and we'd slide back to somewhere around 9 or 10 when it's all said and done.

any other changes made could obviouisly affect it as well.

long way to December and February.
Click to expand...

The only way we finish within the top 10 is if Pruitt has a phenomenal debut season and we generate sudden interest from 4 and 5 star recruits that are currently not interested or in "wait and see" mode. Then we'd have to cut a few 3 stars loose to make room. I'm not saying this can't happen. I'm just telling you what the most likely scenario will be, which is we will get leap frogged by some other programs because of the numbers. We are currently at 20 commits and I think 22 is the most we can take in this class. Even if we do get the last couple of recruits that are high on our list, there are other programs that have more room than we do and they will surpass us. Yes, we do have some recruits that could get a 4th or 5th star but doesn't that equally apply to ALL program's commits? So IMO this is a wash. At the end of the day I think we'll be sitting between 12th and 15th when it's all said and done. Still a solid class but if we hope to compete with GA and Alabama we have to finish much stronger going forward.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jack Burton
#74
#74
Looks good so far. Not counting any chickens before they hatch. We've been burned on too many high profile prospects the last couple of seasons. And we need an elite QB in this class. That us all.
 
#75
#75
Brave Volunteer said:
The only way we finish within the top 10 is if Pruitt has a phenomenal debut season and we generate sudden interest from 4 and 5 star recruits that are currently not interested or in "wait and see" mode. Then we'd have to cut a few 3 stars loose to make room. I'm not saying this can't happen. I'm just telling you what the most likely scenario will be, which is we will get leap frogged by some other programs because of the numbers. We are currently at 20 commits and I think 22 is the most we can take in this class. Even if we do get the last couple of recruits that are high on our list, there are other programs that have more room than we do and they will surpass us. Yes, we do have some recruits that could get a 4th or 5th star but doesn't that equally apply to ALL program's commits? So IMO this is a wash. At the end of the day I think we'll be sitting between 12th and 15th when it's all said and done. Still a solid class but if we hope to compete with GA and Alabama we have to finish much stronger going forward.
Click to expand...
everything is fluid until the nli is signed.

that said, there isn't any "sudden interest" from top tier recruits. the work has been done, and we're in the position we are in with guys like crouch, wright, hill, bogle to'ot'o etc......because of it. those guys have options and certainly they'll be paying attention to what we look like on the field.

but as we sit here today, the most likely scenario is actually closing with 2 5*'s and a 4*. whatever happens in the rankings happens. it really doesn't matter, so long as we'r enot in the 20's and everyone is in the top 10. the difference between #11 and #5 isn't a ton. and the top of the class will compete favorably with most anyone.

there's just way too much attention and emphasis being placed on the rank. if we're 11th instead of 10th, does that really matter? or 6th instead of 5th?

anwyay, your most likely scenario is related to the math on how the class is figured, and has nothing to do with what this class will actually mean to how this program develops over the next couple years.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top