House Settlement

[Delmar]

Plus salary caps have nothing to do with what a player might make on endorsements, which is essentially what NIL will be the equivalent of for college players.

Players getting a paycheck from the university has more to do with eliminating the crazy transfer portal and keeping those players at that school for 3-4 years than it does the money itself, assuming it will be tied to binding contracts.

The problem though is the chance you take in signing a bunch of players to multi-year contracts and they don’t pan out and you’re stuck paying them. How many players have we had over the years that were supposed studs that never made it? Maybe you sign some to 2 year deals and see how it turns out. Only offer the 3 and 4 year deals to the sure thing (if there is such a thing). But that opens the short term contracts up to negotiation with other schools when they expire. Just not sure about this. It may stop some of the portal mess but create other problems.

Also what happens if a contracted player gets a career ending injury? I assume the school is on the hook for the contract just like the pros are.

 

[Delmar]

I respectfully disagree. You can have conditions for employment in a contract. I can hire someone and require they attend school and make passing grades as a condition of their employment.

And what happens when schools you are competing with don’t require class attendance or they make their requirements a lot less strenuous than yours? You won’t be competitive. Might as well have no requirement if everybody is going to major in Underwater BB Stacking.

 

[LWSVOL]

The problem though is the chance you take in signing a bunch of players to multi-year contracts and they don’t pan out and you’re stuck paying them. How many players have we had over the years that were supposed studs that never made it? Maybe you sign some to 2 year deals and see how it turns out. Only offer the 3 and 4 year deals to the sure thing (if there is such a thing). But that opens the short term contracts up to negotiation with other schools when they expire. Just not sure about this. It may stop some of the portal mess but create other problems.

Also what happens if a contracted player gets a career ending injury? I assume the school is on the hook for the contract just like the pros are.

actually, at public universities in Tennessee, employees are employees of the state. lots of laws in place to govern their income as state employees...

 

[Delmar]

actually, at public universities in Tennessee, employees are employees of the state. lots of laws in place to govern their income as state employees...

Are all of those state employees under multi-year contracts or are they at will employees that can be terminated at any time?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Are all of those state employees under multi-year contracts or are they at will employees that can be terminated at any time?

Despite TN being a right to work state, I'm pretty sure UT tenured professors need a good reason to be terminated.

Obviously Coach Heupel has a buyout, incentives, etc and I've seen some articles saying the House Settlement may allow contracts for players with buyouts, incentives, etc similar to coaches.

If true, this edges really close to pro contracts I think and virtually assures the courts pull the band-aid off to call the players employees.

 

[Delmar]

The article in the KNS said that most revenue sharing contracts will be one year deals with multi-year deals only going to a few select players. If that’s the case, I don’t see much changing with the transfer portal mess and that’s what needs fixing.

 

[Batman1948]

You can’t put a limit on how much someone can be paid

Bull sh*t-----my boss did

 

[LWSVOL]

Are all of those state employees under multi-year contracts or are they at will employees that can be terminated at any time?

don't know how state employees are handled but would be surprised if multi year contracts... having contracts with employees all across the state sounds complicated to me...... I know a lady that worked in state government and she was not under any sort of contract..

 

[Delmar]

Despite TN being a right to work state, I'm pretty sure UT tenured professors need a good reason to be terminated.

Obviously Coach Heupel has a buyout, incentives, etc and I've seen some articles saying the House Settlement may allow contracts for players with buyouts, incentives, etc similar to coaches.

If true, this edges really close to pro contracts I think and virtually assures the courts pull the band-aid off to call the players employees.

Agreed. But I think coaches and tenured professors are in the minority as state employees with any sort of protection. Don’t think the park rangers, accountants, etc have multi year deals or protection. Just don’t think player contracts will compare to regular state employees. Compare to coaches, yes.

Just my opinion but I think multi-year deals are the only thing that solves the portal problem but I don’t think the school can have a bunch of multi-year contracts with players. If 50% of those multi-year contract players don’t pan out, there will be issues. Guess it depends on buy-out clauses and what those would entail. All I know is there are a lot of unanswered questions with this thing.

 

[Delmar]

don't know how state employees are handled but would be surprised if multi year contracts... having contracts with employees all across the state sounds complicated to me...... I know a lady that worked in state government and she was not under any sort of contract..

Agreed. Outside of coaches and some administration, I don’t know state employees that would be under contract. The players will be more like the coaches with contracts involved. The difference is that for a football team, you have 15 coaches and 75 players. Dealing with that many contracts will get quite interesting.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Agreed. But I think coaches and tenured professors are in the minority as state employees with any sort of protection. Don’t think the park rangers, accountants, etc have multi year deals or protection. Just don’t think player contracts will compare to regular state employees. Compare to coaches, yes.

Just my opinion but I think multi-year deals are the only thing that solves the portal problem but I don’t think the school can have a bunch of multi-year contracts with players. If 50% of those multi-year contract players don’t pan out, there will be issues. Guess it depends on buy-out clauses and what those would entail. All I know is there are a lot of unanswered questions with this thing.

Years ago, even the tenured professors technically had year by year contracts even though it was difficult to terminate them. They re-signed every year. There are a few active profs on the board who can speak to that.

Given that TN was elbow deep in supporting the lawsuits that ushered in multiple transfers, I'm not sure it's as big of an issue for the school and coaches as it is for the fans. I'm 100% sure that Randy and Donde talked to Heupel and Barnes before encouraging TN to sign on to the lawsuits.

While we find it awful, it's hard to forget that TN was right there suing to make it happen so maybe it's worth the trouble to Heupel and Barnes.

 

[ptcarter]

There’s always curling.

Beach Volleyball is mesmerizing to some degree.

 

[PC Jr.]

Did I also understand that there are no longer any scholarship limits on sports?

 

[Hairy Vols]

Sounds like another nightmare to me. Kids will be leveraging their pay to play. That’s what needs fixed. Or at least close the transfer portal for good. It ruining the only good sports left.

schools paying players = contracts, which should simmer some of the madness of the portal.

 

[volfan102455]

Are all of those state employees under multi-year contracts or are they at will employees that can be terminated at any time?

I suspect multi-year contracts are only applicable to the top employees (i.e. CEO type positions). Would not expect most state employees to be under any type of contract and expect they would be subject to rules that most workers in the state are under.

 

[volfan102455]

Agreed. Outside of coaches and some administration, I don’t know state employees that would be under contract. The players will be more like the coaches with contracts involved. The difference is that for a football team, you have 15 coaches and 75 players. Dealing with that many contracts will get quite interesting.

There is no way they are going to have hundreds of players under a multi-year contract - would be crazy for the school or the player to agree to that and deal with buy outs and such.

Edited to add - a contract coupled with all the other paperwork and such with a scholarship, grants, etc. that is a lot to keep up with for a player that may fail out of school or not live up to expectations.

The only ones really making money will be the lawyers.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

In a right to work state an employer can fire you for almost anything however if they tell you to dress in a clown suit on your time off, I'd find the lawsuit interesting.

Being an employer isn't carte blanche to bully an employee on their off time into doing what you want. C'mon.

Yes it is unfortunately. Like I said a company can pretty much mandate anything. As it should be. If I owned a company I should be able to make my employees learn whatever I see fit regardless of what they think.

 

[volfan102455]

What could be more American than having a 3rd party decide how much your NIL or anything you can get paid for is worth?

It's the American Way to have someone else decide how much you can get paid, right? Uh..... No.

Actually, that is no different than how many employers make decisions on salary ranges. They compare across the industry for the same type of positions in the various markets. As an employee you can take it or leave to find something else - but typically since the range is based on the market, to increase your pay you are really looking for a job considered a promotion. Or a change in career that has a higher salary range.

 

[volfan102455]

Yes it is unfortunately. Like I said a company can pretty much mandate anything. As it should be. If I owned a company I should be able to make my employees learn whatever I see fit regardless of what they think.

This! I think some on here have maybe not worked in specific occupations where there are expectations outside of just doing your job that one must meet.

Now granted said employee can refuse but typically that employee will suffer salary wise and maybe even eventually job wise.

 

[volfan102455]

Bull sh*t-----my boss did

Same and if I am getting paid more, some other employee with the same job title may be paid less or vice versa.

Some folks seem to think there is an endless $$ supply here - there isn't.

 

[volfan102455]

Sure, but as has been pointed out to you, schools that DON'T require school to play sports will be at an advantage.

Schools that don't either require or strongly suggest a student take classes and attend them are not doing the players any favors. Most of the players are NOT going to the NFL. They just are not. So, they waste 3 to 5 years of their life and don't take advantage of scholarships and classes the schools offer - when the NFL doesn't call - they have nothing tangible to fall back on.

The players that are smart will also take that scholarship and use it - even if only for classes that teach them how to market themselves, how to financially handle money, etc.

 

[volfan102455]

Just think of all those walk-on stories and vids we’ve seen of coaches giving a walk-on “that” last scholarship. Go from a really broke kid to a $150K check.

And go from a really broke kid to a kid with $150K that then spends it within a month of getting it to go back to a really broke kid or a kid with a lot of payments they can't afford.

 

[volfan102455]

It will be like folks that win the lottery who don't know how to handle money - these are 18 - 22-year-olds.

I wish I could go back to that age and do over - would have done things differently from a money standpoint.

 

[Delmar]

There is no way they are going to have hundreds of players under a multi-year contract - would be crazy for the school or the player to agree to that and deal with buy outs and such.

Edited to add - a contract coupled with all the other paperwork and such with a scholarship, grants, etc. that is a lot to keep up with for a player that may fail out of school or not live up to expectations.

The only ones really making money will be the lawyers.

Agreed. But if most are one year contracts, that does nothing to alleviate the insanity of the transfer portal. Basically the same situation we have now. I don’t have an answer. Still a lot of questions. Maybe multi-year for a few players but I guess that depends on money, terms and conditions.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I don't think this will hold up legally long term. It WILL release the NCAA and the Schools from past Antitrust violations but the "clearinghouse", and other governance elements/restrictions are very likely to be struck down as violating Antitrust. Then we'll be right back to the Wild West. Only Congress can rewrite their Antitrust laws and create legally enforceable rules.