Hopefully pass oriented offense this year

[njvols]

If an OL shows up......that would be nice to see again.

I remember thinking/hoping this would happen last year. If we are to be great...or at least over achieve this year, the base of our success will be OL.

 

[Caleb59seal]

I think the biggest thing you will see is a mentality shift... and that does wonders for production... OLine coaches get paid at the top as far as positions coaches go for a reason... wells will make a big difference

 

[njvols]

Then you should miss Dobbs throwing the long ball as well because he and Bray had identical YPA stats for their final seasons.

Love Dobbs and take him over Bray any day...but, as much as we all appreciate and love Dobbs, I don't think many will agree that Dobbs and Bray are close to be equal at any range of passes.

 

[njvols]

sounds stupid, so take it for what it is...but sometimes we scored too fast.... when we scored, we scored in bunches, a lot of times putting the d right back on the field.....the D played a lot last year. i think, iirc, we were toward the bottom of the leage (at least back half) in TOP.

point being, whether we had the execution issues that killed drives early in games putting the defense back on the field, or if it was quick scores in a comeback effort putting the defense back on the field at times, the defense wasn't being protected by the offense.

and as the season went a long, that became the identity. we weren't capable of sustaining long drives, consistently. it got to a point where our identity offensively was to score on big plays or bust.

our offense wasn't an offense that could grind out 1st downs 4 yards at a time. and there were times we needed to be. it wasn't efficient. explosive at times, yes.

Actually, think some of what you say is valid. Early on, when we had schizophrenia first and second halves, which I think had to do with many mental mistakes, turnovers, poor OL play, and too conservative game plan. Then, all the sudden we're in panic/aggressive mode and we score in bunches with a sense of urgency, and we start to develop a bad identity. Injuries certainly played a part, but I think it's on the coaches to allow first half of season to go by without figuring out how to execute or be more methodical and aggressive in first half. Some of which, quite frankly could have been, as much as love Dobbs, coaches trying to balance not getting him hurt from running, and not truly trusting being able to put the game in his hands passing the ball.

 

[HoptownVol]

At this point I don't know anymore, but I'm encouraged to see QBs taking center snaps and executing play action semi-properly for the first time. So I got that going for me.

 

[TNinSC]

Running the ball is what wins in this league.

 

[MADISONGAVOL]

well the play-action while under center drills while practicing this week was promising.

There has been alot of under Center work. Alot ....compared to this staffs Inception

 

[jakez4ut]

Actually, think some of what you say is valid. Early on, when we had schizophrenia first and second halves, which I think had to do with many mental mistakes, turnovers, poor OL play, and too conservative game plan. Then, all the sudden we're in panic/aggressive mode and we score in bunches with a sense of urgency, and we start to develop a bad identity. Injuries certainly played a part, but I think it's on the coaches to allow first half of season to go by without figuring out how to execute or be more methodical and aggressive in first half. Some of which, quite frankly could have been, as much as love Dobbs, coaches trying to balance not getting him hurt from running, and not truly trusting being able to put the game in his hands passing the ball.

i see this alot. but if you really go back and look at the plays that were called, especially early in games during the 1st half of the season, i think you might be surprised at what you see. forget about the result of hte play or series for a second, just look at the calls.

they really weren't conservative or anxious--now i'm not saying everything was hunky dory--but go back and watch the 1st halves, and every drop, incompletion, or penalty, turnover--think about what may have happened had we executed?

the FL game is probably the best example, because it was so apparent. twice in the red zone in the 1st half, zero points.
--croom drops a sure TD on 2nd down, we went 4 and out.
--Dobbs thru a pick on a terrible throw in the back of the endzone. (FL scored on one of these subsequent possessions)
--Malone had a huge drop in the 1st half.
--Wolfe had two huge drops in the 1st half.
--Martin has the personal foul on the kick off setting up the field position for FL on that first drive.

in the 2nd half, we really didn't "do" anything different, we just made the plays when they were available, where we didn't in the 1st. but it wasn't like we scrapped everything and started something completely different.

but you can go back to the VT game, even the App game. the USCe game was full of offensive ineptitude, execution wise. Vandy as well. this offense simply wasn't capable of sustaining drives consistently. and there were a lot of reasons to choose from. we turned it over way too much. we were penalized way too much.

when i pick on the coaches offensively, it's primarily in situational football--we become fairly predictable, and very conservative, in 2 min and 4 min offense, and do a 180 from what we have typically done through out the game. we did it against UGA and it almost cost us that game, we did it against Bama, FL and OU in 2015, and it cost us 2 of those games, at least.

and i'll also say that i wasn't always thrilled with our 1st down offense--which goes back to agreeing with you that we didn't get Dobbs involved in the run game often enough early. past that, the plans themselves really weren't awful.

you pair that with a defense that didn't live up to the billing early, and faded drastically down the stretch due to the injuries, and i think ( i know i felt this way headed in to last year) they thought they wouldn't HAVE to protect the defense in 2016. turns out they did need to, and couldn't.

 

[Biopsyman]

Running the ball is what wins in this league.

and with a dominate OL and DL

 

[k-town_king]

No. He simply didn't. Dobbs struggled through his last game to properly lead and anticipate receivers. It was not an inability to throw or throw accurately. He could hit stationary targets. But he was almost always off target by a little or a lot in live play.



QD threw a ball that Dobbs either couldn't throw or didn't have the confidence to throw. QD dropped it in perfectly... hitting the receiver in stride. There's no revisionism.

It is the little we have to work with when it comes to QD. We have almost nothing on JG.

We have Dobbs' whole career. Great leader. Great runner. Good arm strength. NOT a great passer.


Did you ever ask yourself why UT didn't burn opponents with slants and skinny posts when they keyed on and stopped other elements of the O? Dobbs never became consistent in his ball placement on those routes. They have big play potential... for both teams.

I forgot I was talking to the guy who denies reality when it comes to Dobbs and makes up stuff about his performance. You were still saying Worley was a better passer when Dobbs had better stats and played better.

Dobbs has made passes way better than Dormady's one decent pass. He has also completed those against SEC defenses and first round picks. Stop lying and acting like he hasn't.

 

[sjt18]

I forgot I was talking to the guy who denies reality when it comes to Dobbs and makes up stuff about his performance. You were still saying Worley was a better passer when Dobbs had better stats and played better.

Worley in terms of accuracy and ball placement was a better passer than Dobbs. He didn't have mobility... or an OL that could protect him. Dobbs has A LOT of great qualities. You are simply "making stuff up" to claim he has ever been consistent placing balls in small windows.

Dobbs has made passes way better than Dormady's one decent pass. He has also completed those against SEC defenses and first round picks. Stop lying and acting like he hasn't.

He has made effective passes... not accurate passes. He didn't attempt to throw the kinds of passes we're discussing because HE knew there was too much risk.

The rare occasions you saw him try were in situations when UT had nothing to lose like the come back at USCe.

No "lying" involved on anyone's part. Do you really lack the maturity to have a disagreement with someone without calling them a "liar"?

 

[Defaultuser]

Worley in terms of accuracy and ball placement was a better passer than Dobbs. He didn't have mobility... or an OL that could protect him. Dobbs has A LOT of great qualities. You are simply "making stuff up" to claim he has ever been consistent placing balls in small windows.


He has made effective passes... not accurate passes. He didn't attempt to throw the kinds of passes we're discussing because HE knew there was too much risk.

The rare occasions you saw him try were in situations when UT had nothing to lose like the come back at USCe.

No "lying" involved on anyone's part. Do you really lack the maturity to have a disagreement with someone without calling them a "liar"?

Pure bs. Worley threw off of his $#!$& shoulder. Those 7 quarters without scoring a td must have escaped you too. As far as o line you use that as a defense for Worley but not Dobbs. Funny that is all you have and are disingenuous about that. Dooley sheep.

 

[sjt18]

Pure bs. Worley threw off of his $#!$& shoulder. Those 7 quarters without scoring a td must have escaped you too.

Yeah... because he had a perfect pocket all the time to throw from and great receivers to make plays... right? Worley took an absolute battering because the scheme nor the OL protected him.

As far as o line you use that as a defense for Worley but not Dobbs. Funny that is all you have and are disingenuous about that. Dooley sheep.

Dobbs' mobility helped him a great deal. It made him a more effective QB by far.... It did not make him a great passer.

Again, someone who lacks the maturity to disagree with someone without taking cheap shots.

 

[k-town_king]

Worley in terms of accuracy and ball placement was a better passer than Dobbs. He didn't have mobility... or an OL that could protect him. Dobbs has A LOT of great qualities. You are simply "making stuff up" to claim he has ever been consistent placing balls in small windows.


He has made effective passes... not accurate passes. He didn't attempt to throw the kinds of passes we're discussing because HE knew there was too much risk.

The rare occasions you saw him try were in situations when UT had nothing to lose like the come back at USCe.

No "lying" involved on anyone's part. Do you really lack the maturity to have a disagreement with someone without calling them a "liar"?

Its is a lie when every single stat proves Dobbs is the better passer. Completion percentage, QBR, Yards per attempt. The eye test isn't even close. You seem to be the only one who forgets all the worm burners 5-10 yards short Worley threw. There is no comparison between the two passing. Its the reason Dobbs will be drafted and Worley wasn't even invited to the Sr Bowl or Combine.

Maybe you aren't lying just blind. That is why you capped for Dooley so long and think Worley passes better than Dobbs.


About Dormady though. Dobbs was the top deep ball passer in the SEC last year. He threw several deep passes in tight windows versus SEC defenses. That is more impressive than Dormady's one pass, that would have been broken up or intercepted against a real team. His pass versus that jv squad was good but nothing special.

 

[sjt18]

Its is a lie when every single stat proves Dobbs is the better passer.

No. It isn't. Stats don't "prove" that one guy throws more accurately or more on time than another guy. There are TONS of other variables including Dobbs' ability to extend plays which lessened the liability of his inconsistent accuracy.

Completion percentage, QBR, Yards per attempt. The eye test isn't even close. You seem to be the only one who forgets all the worm burners 5-10 yards short Worley threw. There is no comparison between the two passing. Its the reason Dobbs will be drafted and Worley wasn't even invited to the Sr Bowl or Combine.

LOL... revisionism is always interesting. Dobbs missed LOTS of wide open receivers and again... he didn't even attempt the kinds of throws that we're talking about except in desperate situations.

Maybe you aren't lying just blind. That is why you capped for Dooley so long and think Worley passes better than Dobbs.

No. I'd say you are demonstrating the blindness. And between the two of us... I'm the one who has admitted when they were wrong. I DID argue WRONGLY that Dooley should not face criticism until he'd gotten his full shot at turning things around. I argued it hurt the program. I WAS WRONG... just like those making the EXACT same argument for Jones are wrong now.

About Dormady though. Dobbs was the top deep ball passer in the SEC last year. He threw several deep passes in tight windows versus SEC defenses. That is more impressive than Dormady's one pass, that would have been broken up or intercepted against a real team. His pass versus that jv squad was good but nothing special.

That should be VERY easy for you to prove. VERY easy. So show the clips where he perfectly lays balls in to well covered WR's on deep balls... or even slants, skinny posts, or crossing routes.

Again, if you are right then finding DOZENS of great examples should be a snap.

 

[sjt18]

The sad thing is that I like Dobbs and appreciate his talent for what it is... he just isn't a great passer.

 

[volfan2024]

I recall in 98 n/c season Tee Martin set a completion record against South Carolina 24 straight completions (there about) and That year we were loaded with runners, Henry,Lewis (although hurt some) and Tee could run as well. I just feel the reliance on the run vs passing, passing is the way to win.

 

[k-town_king]

No. It isn't. Stats don't "prove" that one guy throws more accurately or more on time than another guy. There are TONS of other variables including Dobbs' ability to extend plays which lessened the liability of his inconsistent accuracy.

LOL... revisionism is always interesting. Dobbs missed LOTS of wide open receivers and again... he didn't even attempt the kinds of throws that we're talking about except in desperate situations.

No. I'd say you are demonstrating the blindness. And between the two of us... I'm the one who has admitted when they were wrong. I DID argue WRONGLY that Dooley should not face criticism until he'd gotten his full shot at turning things around. I argued it hurt the program. I WAS WRONG... just like those making the EXACT same argument for Jones are wrong now.


That should be VERY easy for you to prove. VERY easy. So show the clips where he perfectly lays balls in to well covered WR's on deep balls... or even slants, skinny posts, or crossing routes.

Again, if you are right then finding DOZENS of great examples should be a snap.

He was the top deep ball passer in the SEC and one of the best in the country. Look up any of the SEC highlights from Dobbs. No reasonable person thinks Worley was an accurate qb or better passer than Dobbs.

What type of pass do you think Worley or Dormady attempted that Dobbs never did? He has completed every type possible. Neither one made a pass as nice as the ones Dobbs hit for tds against SEC teams like UGA, UK, UF, Mizz, and TAM the last few years. Dormady threw one lucky pass vs Western Carolina that he just threw up deep and Williams burnt a backup from a scrub team. A good pass would have hit Williams in stride and it would have been a td. Instead he stopped to catch it and gained no yardage after the catch. Dobbs has hit better passes on draft picks.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfVAg4jFnIY

There you go. Plenty of great passes.