Hopefully pass oriented offense this year

#26
#26
Obviously passing attack is what's needed. This team is built for it. Let those dogs run. With this new style high school ball you have one job as a defender, Hit the ball. That's all you gotta do. With a real QB and a barn full of receivers and an o line defenders don't know where it's coming from. The field is yours to do what you want. It's only espn promoting this woopsie doo run first ball.
 
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utfantilidie said:
If Peyton is around to offer his input I believe it's a no-brainer. Thoughts?
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I don't think it matters if we pass first or run first, we need to be able to do both effectively and use one to set-up the other. I think we will see both QD and JG play and I hope they can compliment each other and help keep opposing defenses guessing.

Execution will be the key, particularly along the OL.
 
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utfantilidie said:
If Peyton is around to offer his input I believe it's a no-brainer. Thoughts?
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I know Peyton understands the necessity of a strong running game. I hope we run it down every opponents throat and then hit them with big down field throws. Football is a simple game - win the line of scrimmage.
 
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We are a run heavy offense, period. I want more deep throws but our bread and butter is the run and I'm okay with hat.

Those of you wanting to mostly pass and pass it deep can't be serious about controlling TOP. I would like a more consistent and prominent passing game sure, but as a compliment to the run. We should make teams respect the deep pass, but that doesn't mean we have to throw it deep every other play. We must be willing to and go for it a few times a game.

Some of y'all need to take a step back from wishing a first year starter would sling the ball around 60-70% of the time. That's a recipe for disaster.

IMO we should be passing about 40% of the time. In obvious and a few no obvious downs and distances.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Don't care. Just want an offense that scores points.

Even if it's just exclusively jet sweeps. Still wouldn't care.
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We had that last year. I just want a team that is disciplined, relatively healthy for the season and wins over South Carolina and Vandy.
 
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jakez4ut said:
sounds stupid, so take it for what it is...but sometimes we scored too fast.... when we scored, we scored in bunches, a lot of times putting the d right back on the field.....the D played a lot last year. i think, iirc, we were toward the bottom of the leage (at least back half) in TOP.

point being, whether we had the execution issues that killed drives early in games putting the defense back on the field, or if it was quick scores in a comeback effort putting the defense back on the field at times, the defense wasn't being protected by the offense.

and as the season went a long, that became the identity. we weren't capable of sustaining long drives, consistently. it got to a point where our identity offensively was to score on big plays or bust.

our offense wasn't an offense that could grind out 1st downs 4 yards at a time. and there were times we needed to be. it wasn't efficient. explosive at times, yes.
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Completely agree with this.
 
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sjt18 said:
You have to love Dobbs but I was never sold on him as a passer. JG I haven't seen but in limited time QD made some throws that Dobbs either couldn't or wouldn't throw. I remember one pass down the sideline in particular that QD placed absolutely perfect. Dobbs didn't do that in his whole career at UT.

The OL has to improve. UT cannot abandon the run game which seems to set Kelly up for a huge year.

Canales is an interesting hire considering your points above.

Still the O comes down to what Wells can do with the OL and if the limited number of SEC talented players at the top of the WR group stays healthy and performs.
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Dobbs threw better passes than that against SEC defenses many times. Y'all kill me with this revisionist history about Dobbs and Dormady passing. He threw one good pass versus backups of a bad team. Dobbs has thrown multiple great passes against starting SEC defenses. Get real. Dormady may turn out great. He hasn't shown better passing ability than Dobbs yet though.
 
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k-town_king said:
Dobbs threw better passes than that against SEC defenses many times.
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No. He simply didn't. Dobbs struggled through his last game to properly lead and anticipate receivers. It was not an inability to throw or throw accurately. He could hit stationary targets. But he was almost always off target by a little or a lot in live play.

Y'all kill me with this revisionist history about Dobbs and Dormady passing. He threw one good pass versus backups of a bad team. Dobbs has thrown multiple great passes against starting SEC defenses. Get real. Dormady may turn out great. He hasn't shown better passing ability than Dobbs yet though.
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QD threw a ball that Dobbs either couldn't throw or didn't have the confidence to throw. QD dropped it in perfectly... hitting the receiver in stride. There's no revisionism.

It is the little we have to work with when it comes to QD. We have almost nothing on JG.

We have Dobbs' whole career. Great leader. Great runner. Good arm strength. NOT a great passer.


Did you ever ask yourself why UT didn't burn opponents with slants and skinny posts when they keyed on and stopped other elements of the O? Dobbs never became consistent in his ball placement on those routes. They have big play potential... for both teams.
 
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jakez4ut said:
sounds stupid, so take it for what it is...but sometimes we scored too fast.... when we scored, we scored in bunches, a lot of times putting the d right back on the field.....the D played a lot last year. i think, iirc, we were toward the bottom of the leage (at least back half) in TOP.

point being, whether we had the execution issues that killed drives early in games putting the defense back on the field, or if it was quick scores in a comeback effort putting the defense back on the field at times, the defense wasn't being protected by the offense.

and as the season went a long, that became the identity. we weren't capable of sustaining long drives, consistently. it got to a point where our identity offensively was to score on big plays or bust.

our offense wasn't an offense that could grind out 1st downs 4 yards at a time. and there were times we needed to be. it wasn't efficient. explosive at times, yes.
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If you score fast, your D needs to produce a lot of 3 and outs. Spurrier made a living on this during the 90's. He scored fast. His D got off the field. He put up points and took the other team out of their game plan... making them even more predictable to his D.

Oregon in their heyday did the same.

Scoring fast doesn't really pair all that well with a consistent "bend don't break" D unless you're about 4 deep at every position.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you score fast, your D needs to produce a lot of 3 and outs. Spurrier made a living on this during the 90's. He scored fast. His D got off the field. He put up points and took the other team out of their game plan... making them even more predictable to his D.

Oregon in their heyday did the same.

Scoring fast doesn't really pair all that well with a consistent "bend don't break" D unless you're about 4 deep at every position.
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well we know how that turned out for us....and the point, i think is what you're getting at, is still the same.

those offenses didn't need to protect the defense...except by scoring. ours on the other hand...needed all the help it could get, especially the 2nd half of the season. and it got none.......

it's like in baseball, you have some pitchers that need run support, you have other pitchers that are good with a 2 run lead, and you know it's toast.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. He simply didn't. Dobbs struggled through his last game to properly lead and anticipate receivers. It was not an inability to throw or throw accurately. He could hit stationary targets. But he was almost always off target by a little or a lot in live play.



QD threw a ball that Dobbs either couldn't throw or didn't have the confidence to throw. QD dropped it in perfectly... hitting the receiver in stride. There's no revisionism.

It is the little we have to work with when it comes to QD. We have almost nothing on JG.

We have Dobbs' whole career. Great leader. Great runner. Good arm strength. NOT a great passer.


Did you ever ask yourself why UT didn't burn opponents with slants and skinny posts when they keyed on and stopped other elements of the O? Dobbs never became consistent in his ball placement on those routes. They have big play potential... for both teams.
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there's truth here. and it doesn't mean he never hit throws like that. but he definitley wasn't 'consistent on those timing patters where the ball was gone before the WR even looked for it. those just didn't happen.

digs, hitches and gos. WR usually staring back at Dobbs.
 
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jpope9 said:
well the play-action while under center drills while practicing this week was promising.
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If Dobbs was running for his life from the shotgun most games, under center would get someone killed with our OL amd protection. Hopefully, Wells can put something together upfront.
 
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MiramarVol said:
If Dobbs was running for his life from the shotgun most games, under center would get someone killed with our OL amd protection. Hopefully, Wells can put something together upfront.
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justin worley agrees with you.
 
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#45
Doberman said:
As long as we have some element of ball control, and control TOP, I'm ok whit whatever style we employ.

We must take some pressure of the D by controlling the ball better.
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Good point, at the end of last year against supposedly weaker teams, we scored so quickly sometimes the defense had no time to rest. That can be tough on any defense much less a defense with a depleted roster..
 
#49
#49
I'd just settle for a high scoring, clock depleting, balanced offense with multiple (7+) offensive weapons, including a 350lb tackle-eligible receiver (with great hands and juking moves) that went from August to January without turning the ball over or getting penalized.
 
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