Hopefully pass oriented offense this year

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If Peyton is around to offer his input I believe it's a no-brainer. Thoughts?
 
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Just cause the GOAT says so, don't mean it'll happen. I just hope we can keep defenses off balance with a good mixture of play calling and can stretch the field
 
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utfantilidie said:
If Peyton is around to offer his input I believe it's a no-brainer. Thoughts?
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I hope Jennings has a HUGE year on the field. 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Dormady would be the best choice IF bUTch wants to throw the ball around a lot.
With Byrd developing quickly. Josh Smith being a reliable receiver. Jennings being a beast and Jeff George coming along and Wolf being a good tight end, we should have a huge advantage in the passing game.
I would like our offense to get 300 passing yards per game and 150 yards rushing per game. David Cutliff!!!!!!
 
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Don't care. Just want an offense that scores points.

Even if it's just exclusively jet sweeps. Still wouldn't care.
 
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utfantilidie said:
If Peyton is around to offer his input I believe it's a no-brainer. Thoughts?
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You know Peyton has visited every year and schematically went through their offense.... so I don't imagine it changing much on his account. However, OC Scott might be a different..
 
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Say what you want about Bray, but man I miss seeing a QB throw the long ball around here. My god he had a rocket. I will miss Dobbs' ability to extend the play though.
 
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up to this point, we haven't had qb's to run "pass oriented offense", nor have we had an O line up to the task of pass protecting out of pro style formations (under center, 5-7 step drop, read, throw, or tru play action, cause our running game wasn't schematically designed for traditional play action, out of a straight drop, power run game).

they've apparently been working under center this spring, working on footwork, drops, etc....so i'd expect that's a direct result of understanding what both QD and JG can do with their arms, and having that element is prudent at this point, whereas it was more of a gimmick with Dobbs.

at the time, Worley, Peterman weren't that guy, and we know Dobbs wasn't either, gifted as he is athletically, you scheme to do what he does best. same with these two.

honestly, i think we may see more of what this offense is capable of, at least formation wise, this season. if it's JG, you got a guy that can do both supposedly, cause he's supposedly athletic enough you can still run the zone read stuff, and the more traditional under center stuff. if it's QD, then i think it leans more to the pro style, with elements of a spread sprinkled in.

either way, i'm for it. it's not a bad thing to give defenses a lot to think about, and a lot to prepare for.

so i don't know that it has as much to do with what peyton has seen/suggested etc..as much as it does understanding our own personnel, and what their strengths will be.

and if that's how it plays out, that's a good thing.
 
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Stoked said:
Say what you want about Bray, but man I miss seeing a QB throw the long ball around here. My god he had a rocket. I will miss Dobbs' ability to extend the play though.
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Then you should miss Dobbs throwing the long ball as well because he and Bray had identical YPA stats for their final seasons.
 
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As long as we have some element of ball control, and control TOP, I'm ok whit whatever style we employ.

We must take some pressure of the D by controlling the ball better.
 
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jakez4ut said:
up to this point, we haven't had qb's to run "pass oriented offense", nor have we had an O line up to the task of pass protecting out of pro style formations (under center, 5-7 step drop, read, throw, or tru play action, cause our running game wasn't schematically designed for traditional play action, out of a straight drop, power run game).

they've apparently been working under center this spring, working on footwork, drops, etc....so i'd expect that's a direct result of understanding what both QD and JG can do with their arms, and having that element is prudent at this point, whereas it was more of a gimmick with Dobbs.

at the time, Worley, Peterman weren't that guy, and we know Dobbs wasn't either, gifted as he is athletically, you scheme to do what he does best. same with these two.

honestly, i think we may see more of what this offense is capable of, at least formation wise, this season. if it's JG, you got a guy that can do both supposedly, cause he's supposedly athletic enough you can still run the zone read stuff, and the more traditional under center stuff. if it's QD, then i think it leans more to the pro style, with elements of a spread sprinkled in.

either way, i'm for it. it's not a bad thing to give defenses a lot to think about, and a lot to prepare for.

so i don't know that it has as much to do with what peyton has seen/suggested etc..as much as it does understanding our own personnel, and what their strengths will be.

and if that's how it plays out, that's a good thing.
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You have to love Dobbs but I was never sold on him as a passer. JG I haven't seen but in limited time QD made some throws that Dobbs either couldn't or wouldn't throw. I remember one pass down the sideline in particular that QD placed absolutely perfect. Dobbs didn't do that in his whole career at UT.

The OL has to improve. UT cannot abandon the run game which seems to set Kelly up for a huge year.

Canales is an interesting hire considering your points above.

Still the O comes down to what Wells can do with the OL and if the limited number of SEC talented players at the top of the WR group stays healthy and performs.
 
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jakez4ut said:
up to this point, we haven't had qb's to run "pass oriented offense", nor have we had an O line up to the task of pass protecting out of pro style formations (under center, 5-7 step drop, read, throw, or tru play action, cause our running game wasn't schematically designed for traditional play action, out of a straight drop, power run game).

they've apparently been working under center this spring, working on footwork, drops, etc....so i'd expect that's a direct result of understanding what both QD and JG can do with their arms, and having that element is prudent at this point, whereas it was more of a gimmick with Dobbs.

at the time, Worley, Peterman weren't that guy, and we know Dobbs wasn't either, gifted as he is athletically, you scheme to do what he does best. same with these two.

honestly, i think we may see more of what this offense is capable of, at least formation wise, this season. if it's JG, you got a guy that can do both supposedly, cause he's supposedly athletic enough you can still run the zone read stuff, and the more traditional under center stuff. if it's QD, then i think it leans more to the pro style, with elements of a spread sprinkled in.

either way, i'm for it. it's not a bad thing to give defenses a lot to think about, and a lot to prepare for.

so i don't know that it has as much to do with what peyton has seen/suggested etc..as much as it does understanding our own personnel, and what their strengths will be.

and if that's how it plays out, that's a good thing.
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Everything you observe and propose is correct.
However, no offense can be dominantly successful without a dominant offense line. With the o lines we have fielded over the last few years (all the way back to the Fulmer years) no system can be consistent. As I see it right now, all teams need to do is get their defenses to play hard and watch for either type of offense set. They will be able to handle our offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
You have to love Dobbs but I was never sold on him as a passer. JG I haven't seen but in limited time QD made some throws that Dobbs either couldn't or wouldn't throw. I remember one pass down the sideline in particular that QD placed absolutely perfect. Dobbs didn't do that in his whole career at UT.

The OL has to improve. UT cannot abandon the run game which seems to set Kelly up for a huge year.

Canales is an interesting hire considering your points above.

Still the O comes down to what Wells can do with the OL and if the limited number of SEC talented players at the top of the WR group stays healthy and performs.
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yep. agree on the OL. it's a perceived strength right now, so if that doesn't come to fruition, it won't matter about the rest really.

Canales is interesting...and for whatever it's worth, the news about under center reps at least intriguing. philosophically, it at least opens the door for "times a changin'". again, a good thing, and speaks to the notion of coaching to what the players do best instead of making round pegs fit in square holes.

philosophically, i like it. doesn't mean it will translate. but it appears on the surface to be a departure form the "stubbornness" many, self included, have criticisized him for, regarding "his" offense.

we'll see.
 
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Rudy123 said:
I hope Jennings has a HUGE year on the field. 1,200 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Dormady would be the best choice IF bUTch wants to throw the ball around a lot.
With Byrd developing quickly. Josh Smith being a reliable receiver. Jennings being a beast and Jeff George coming along and Wolf being a good tight end, we should have a huge advantage in the passing game.
I would like our offense to get 300 passing yards per game and 150 yards rushing per game. David Cutliff!!!!!!
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Josh has become reliably injured.
Butch has been unable to build TE depth. The younger Wolfe seems stuck at 215, which won't cut it in the SEC.
Jakob should have been moved back to end. Brooks moved to tackle.
 
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fade route said:
We scored a lot of points last year
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sounds stupid, so take it for what it is...but sometimes we scored too fast.... when we scored, we scored in bunches, a lot of times putting the d right back on the field.....the D played a lot last year. i think, iirc, we were toward the bottom of the leage (at least back half) in TOP.

point being, whether we had the execution issues that killed drives early in games putting the defense back on the field, or if it was quick scores in a comeback effort putting the defense back on the field at times, the defense wasn't being protected by the offense.

and as the season went a long, that became the identity. we weren't capable of sustaining long drives, consistently. it got to a point where our identity offensively was to score on big plays or bust.

our offense wasn't an offense that could grind out 1st downs 4 yards at a time. and there were times we needed to be. it wasn't efficient. explosive at times, yes.
 
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I hope I'm wrong about this and the offense looks more multiple this year, but I think many are looking into the QBs taking snaps under center in practice too much.

Last spring and preseason we heard a lot about how they were doing the same, how the coaches had special formations for Hurd to run downhill, and some were expecting us to see the some iteration of the I or offset I 10-15 times a game. In the end, we saw some 21 personnel run from under center against App State and 2-3 snaps under center max every game afterwards.


With Scott as OC, I know a lot of us are hoping to see some more Pro Style formations and in theory it makes sense because the offenses he was involved with at Miami were more multiple than what we've seen under Butch here. But then again, Debord's background as an OC was pretty much all old school information pound the rock type of stuff before he came here. So who knows.
 
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You wanna know what kills every offense if you don't have a answer for it....

4:00 minute offense
8th hat in box
2:00 minute offense
Red Zone
3rd and short yardage 3 or less...

No matter what style... you must schematically have answers for those situations...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
You wanna know what kills every offense if you don't have a answer for it....

4:00 minute offense
8th hat in box
2:00 minute offense
Red Zone
3rd and short yardage 3 or less...

No matter what style... you must schematically have answers for those situations...
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yep. agree with you on that. especially the 4 and 2 min offense. one of the biggest gripes i have with CBJ is those two situations specifically. he's cost us games with what he does, and even when it hasn't cost us games, he does the same thing in those situations, like clockwork. end of half, end of games...it's one of the truly predictable parts of this offense, especially the last two years.

on the 3rd down, i'd love to see the stats on what our average to gain was on 3rd down. it feels like it was never 3rd and 3 or less.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
You wanna know what kills every offense if you don't have a answer for it....

4:00 minute offense
8th hat in box
2:00 minute offense
Red Zone
3rd and short yardage 3 or less...

No matter what style... you must schematically have answers for those situations...
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What's worse is not scoring points.

A team needs to play "complimentary" football, but the worst an offense can do is to not score points(other than giving up points off turnovers).

We can talk about tIme of possesion, and field position, but at some point, we have to out score our opponents. Sometimes that maybe 17-13, there are times our offense scored enough to win but the defense didn't do their part.
 
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