Hope Butch incorporates some pro elements...

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Anyone who thinks "Pro Style" play is taking snaps under center hasn't watched pro football in about 3-5 years. I can't even remember the last time I saw a pro offense operating under center.
 
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GlockVol said:
Urbie Meyer was critised for not correcting Tebow's throwing motion while he played at UF. It was pointed out that his job was to win football games at UF, not train QBs for the NFL. Tebow was effective at winning at UF while not having a NFL ready throwing motion.

How many fans do you hear scream at games "Dobbs won't get to the NFL running this offense". It is "just win baby"
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Many coaches refuse to mess with a kids throwing motion.
 
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It is what killed the wishbone, no decent QB wanted to play in it.

Some say football is changing and mobile QBs are the new norm. I'm not so sure. The only way the mobile QB will become the norm in the NFL is if and when franchises can have 3 on their roster that they can just plug into their offense. It doesn't work that way in the NFL right now, QBs are too expensive and thus are a long term investment. They must be protected, can't have them running around getting hurt.

So time will tell if these offenses are here to stay. Once these top dual threat QBs realize there isn't much of a future for them in the NFL they will play another position. The college game will have to follow suit as well.
 
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Wickman said:
Bingo. Considering the OP, I'm not surprised this ideology wasn't factored in
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I'd even call the Patriots a spread offense. So I really don't understand this "spread qbs aren't prepared for the NFL" argument.

Green Bay is another spread offense in the NFL. So is Denver.

Perhaps Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers aren't yet ready for the NFL.
 
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I get what the OP is saying--eventually a spread offense won't attract the highest rated QBs and that will then affect our ability to win. I don't necessarily agree but I think I understand his point.
 
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ntxVOL said:
It is what killed the wishbone, no decent QB wanted to play in it.

Some say football is changing and mobile QBs are the new norm. I'm not so sure. The only way the mobile QB will become the norm in the NFL is if and when franchises can have 3 on their roster that they can just plug into their offense. It doesn't work that way in the NFL right now, QBs are too expensive and thus are a long term investment. They must be protected, can't have them running around getting hurt.

So time will tell if these offenses are here to stay. Once these top dual threat QBs realize there isn't much of a future for them in the NFL they will play another position. The college game will have to follow suit as well.
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Have you looked at the NFL today and the number of mobile qbs?

Edit: 25% of last year's starters going into the season were mobile qbs (geno smith, ej Manuel, Alex smith, RG III, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and Andy Dalton).

This year it will probably 10-12 out of 32. So 37.5 or 31.25 percent, depending on who wins what battle.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Have you looked at the NFL today and the number of mobile qbs?
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No, I haven't. I only hear about Russel Wilson because he's the guy everyone points to. There have always been a few but I am not convinced this will become the norm for the NFL.
 
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YorkVol said:
I get what the OP is saying--eventually a spread offense won't attract the highest rated QBs and that will then affect our ability to win. I don't necessarily agree but I think I understand his point.
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I understand it, but he's wrong. There's a long history of spread qbs going high in the draft, and many NFL teams run spread offenses (GB, Denver, NE, Seattle, Philly).
 
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ntxVOL said:
No, I haven't. I only hear about Russel Wilson because he's the guy everyone points to. There have always been a few but I am not convinced this will become the norm for the NFL.
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you're all over the place. Pick an argument:

1. The original topic: spread qbs
2. The topic you mentioned: mobile qbs
3. The topic you just mentioned: something becoming the norm (I really don't know if that something you meant was spread qbs, mobile qbs, or the spread offense in the NFL).
 
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fade route said:
I don't think Dobbs is an NFL caliber QB. JMO
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Very good College QB, doesnt have the arm to play in NFL, i am a very big Dobbs fan hope he proves me wrong, right now he cant make the NFL throws, maybe in 2 years he will, i will be pulling for him big time to be a elite NFL QB.:crossfingers:
 
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Vol8188 said:
Have you looked at the NFL today and the number of mobile qbs?

Edit: 25% of last year's starters going into the season were mobile qbs (geno smith, ej Manuel, Alex smith, RG III, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and Andy Dalton).

This year it will probably 10-12 out of 32. So 37.5 or 31.25 percent, depending on who wins what battle.
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How many of those guys made the playoffs?
 
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Vol8188 said:
you're all over the place. Pick an argument:

1. The original topic: spread qbs
2. The topic you mentioned: mobile qbs
3. The topic you just mentioned: something becoming the norm (I really don't know if that something you meant was spread qbs, mobile qbs, or the spread offense in the NFL).
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First, I am not convinced a spread offense works that well without a mobile QB. Not going under center limits the running game too much IMO.

My premise for something becoming the norm in the NFL is that is what drives the college game to a certain extent. If players want to get to the NFL they first must fit the mold the NFL places upon them. Especially at QB.
 
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ntxVOL said:
No, I haven't. I only hear about Russel Wilson because he's the guy everyone points to. There have always been a few but I am not convinced this will become the norm for the NFL.
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Russell Wilson has Beast Mode in the back field with him, when the Beast retires in 2 years, then we will see how good he really is, i still cant get over the call in the Super Bowl, New England couldnt stop the Beast and throw the ball, Seattle would have back to back if they just hand the ball to the Beast at the time they had NE D on there heels, no way NE would have stoped the Beast, i wonder how Russell preforms this year it has to be in the back of his mind the last play.
 
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ntxVOL said:
How many of those guys made the playoffs?
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Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, Colin Kapernick, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton.

Almost everyone one of them.

Edit: remove Alex smith, I was looking at 2014.
 
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Biggest element of the pro-style offense...protect the passer. Get quality linemen in, and you can do whatever you want. We have many elements of the pro-style offense, it is just hard to showcase them due to OL play. I know it will get better.
 
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ntxVOL said:
First, I am not convinced a spread offense works that well without a mobile QB. Not going under center limits the running game too much IMO.

My premise for something becoming the norm in the NFL is that is what drives the college game to a certain extent. If players want to get to the NFL they first must fit the mold the NFL places upon them. Especially at QB.
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It seems to work for Denver, GB, and NE without using be Qb in the running game. And the reason it works is because you're able to pull more people out of the box and read defenders to upon up the run. So it actually helps the running game.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'd even call the Patriots a spread offense. So I really don't understand this "spread qbs aren't prepared for the NFL" argument.

Green Bay is another spread offense in the NFL. So is Denver.

Perhaps Manning, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers aren't yet ready for the NFL.
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To be fair to the OP, he never mentioned a "spread offense." He only referred to the zone-read.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It seems to work for Denver, GB, and NE without using be Qb in the running game. And the reason it works is because you're able to pull more people out of the box and read defenders to upon up the run. So it actually helps the running game.
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So, the QBs for those three teams never go under center?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
To be fair to the OP, he never mentioned a "spread offense." He only referred to the zone-read.
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True. That's why I didn't mention them at first. But he does compare them to a "pro style offense". So I think it's fair to include other non "pro style" pro offenses, especially when they're the 4 best offenses in the NFL (NE, GB, Philly, and Denver).
 
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