Hooker waived by Lions

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508mikey said:
so Heupel is one of a kind style ?
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I mean, yes Cam specifically ran a no-huddle, shotgun heavy offense but the actual meat and potatoes of the offense Cam ran and what Heupel runs is completely different. Auburn's offense with Cam is based entirely on motion, zone read, QB designed runs, get the ball out quick. Lamar ran a lot of pro style passing system with Petrino, just with the QB designed runs. Heupel's offense is based off the deep choice, veer and shoot styles Briles ran.
 
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LowKey said:
Disagree. Goff performing well kept Hooker from developing. Zero work with first team offense is not getting a legitimate shot.
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He was given a shot, he was drafted, wore the uniform, made the 53 man team, don't let the Orange tint and what he did here blind you. Purdy was 3rd string on 49ers and when his number was called he came in and the rest is history, Brady wasn't a starter when he came in to the league.
There's a reason the Lions brought Teddy in last year. Milton was 3rd in NE and now is in Dallas as QB2.
 
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OleRockyTopTennessee said:
Gotcha! I just wonder if the injury played any part of this. Was it in his head? I don’t know, but man I would’ve thought he would’ve been better than this.
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Detroit runs a very complex system with a lot of checks and moving pre-snap. I think Hendon got overwhelmed which affected his physical ability. And fair or not, he's like Dobbs (probably because of how important the running is) where he's just not a good practice player. He's had this issue his entire career. I actually thought he looked plenty fine in the limited regular season action he got in a couple blowouts. But Detroit relies heavily on your performance in practice and he hasn't done it.
 
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LowKey said:
Disagree. Goff performing well kept Hooker from developing. Zero work with first team offense is not getting a legitimate shot.
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Detroit has won 27 games the last two years, made the NFC title game and the #1 seed. When you're competing for Super Bowls and paying a QB $30M/year, you can't afford to give #1 snaps to the backup.
 
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EZE said:
Tebows problem wasn’t his college system…it was that he wasn’t an NFL QB. Same for Hooker.
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That's where the problem turns into a recruiting issue.

If the system can make you look good for college but not the NFL, the goal for really elite QBs and WRs is the NFL, not to be a star in college.

Really elite talent may choose to go elsewhere and not have the draft issue that "sure, in that system he looks good, but that won't translate to the league." Hooker demonstrates that for NFL GMs...... great QB in the UT system doesn't mean you're an NFL level QB.

If I'm looking at my career beyond college, I'm wondering if UT will showcase my talent for the NFL or just win a bunch of college games.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's where the problem turns into a recruiting issue.

If the system can make you look good for college but not the NFL, the goal for really elite QBs and WRs is the NFL, not to be a star in college.

Really elite talent may choose to go elsewhere and not have the draft issue that "sure, in that system he looks good, but that won't translate to the league." Hooker demonstrates that for NFL GMs...... great QB in the UT system doesn't mean you're an NFL level QB.

If I'm looking at my career beyond college, I'm wondering if UT will showcase my talent for the NFL or just win a bunch of college games.
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Winning a bunch of games in college, especially in the SEC/B1G will get you on the NFL teams radar but I get what you're saying. The system you play in may make you look better than you may be in the NFL and could affect if you're a 1st round or 2 or later.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Winning a bunch of games in college, especially in the SEC/B1G will get you on the NFL teams radar but I get what you're saying. The system you play in may make you look better than you may be in the NFL and could affect if you're a 1st round or 2 or later.
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Right. At VT, Hooker was a good but not great QB and at UT, he ran the system extremely effectively and won games for us. He was great.

It doesn't matter for your NFL stock if you're a great QB in college, like Tebow or Hooker, if that college system doesn't show you're a potentially great NFL system QB.

If you're an elite, extremely talented QB, it's to your advantage to go to a pro set college and show you can run an offense like the NFL uses.

That said, Heupel's primary job is to win in college not make guys look good for the NFL. He's done that but his system may have recruiting issues in the future if guys from UT can't stick to the NFL.
 
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whobethis16 said:
"It has nothing to do with Hooker"? So it's the NFLs fault he wasn't good enough to perform in a "dumbed down NFL"?
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I clearly said they removed intelligence as a factor for success in the NFL and you keep trying to connect that with me saying “Hooker not being smart enough”.

Where could I have possibly have lost you? I’m afraid I’m not going to be able to dumb this down enough for you to understand. Good luck!
 
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Volnanza said:
I think Nico was the first QB that actually fit the Heupel system. He had a decent first year and I was expecting a major jump this year. Well he did jump...and it left us back in the QB purgatory. He really hasn't had the guy he wants to run the offense. The light went ON for Hooker while he was here, but we can't expect that to happen every year. We haven't had a star at QB for a long time. Maybe FB will finally be the one. I really want to see what Heupel can do with real QB talent. Who knows, maybe on of the younger QB's will make a big step this year if JA doesn't get in gear.
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Guess we will never know but I never saw it. I never saw anything that made me think Nico was the guy. He had some great physical attributes but then again so did Milton. When it came to fundamentals, it was never there. The footwork, the decisions, staring down, just “football smarts”.
 
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adam.vol said:
I clearly said they removed intelligence as a factor for success in the NFL and you keep trying to connect that with me saying “Hooker not being smart enough”.

Where could I have possibly have lost you? I’m afraid I’m not going to be able to dumb this down enough for you to understand. Good luck!
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So then he's just not good enough to be an NFL QB, but you're going to hate the NFL for it? And no, you just said they "dumbed it down", that's not the same as removing it as a factor.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's where the problem turns into a recruiting issue.

If the system can make you look good for college but not the NFL, the goal for really elite QBs and WRs is the NFL, not to be a star in college.

Really elite talent may choose to go elsewhere and not have the draft issue that "sure, in that system he looks good, but that won't translate to the league." Hooker demonstrates that for NFL GMs...... great QB in the UT system doesn't mean you're an NFL level QB.

If I'm looking at my career beyond college, I'm wondering if UT will showcase my talent for the NFL or just win a bunch of college games.
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While I agree to an extent, talent is talent no matter where it plays. Teams and scouts put in thousands of hours and millions of dollars to dig up talent, regardless of the team it’s on. Though our system may not be the best known “pro” system, if you led a team and put the intangibles on display, the NFL would come calling.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
While I agree to an extent, talent is talent no matter where it plays. Teams and scouts put in thousands of hours and millions of dollars to dig up talent, regardless of the team it’s on. Though our system may not be the best known “pro” system, if you led a team and put the intangibles on display, the NFL would come calling.
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A big part of getting to the NFL is obviously talent but it's also having film that stands out, gets you noticed, etc.

If the school you attend has less film that demonstrates how you can use your talent at the next level, your talent isn't being showcased well. If your school isn't playing an offensive scheme that translates well to the NFL, it makes it harder for you as a player to show you belong in the NFL.

When recruiting to the school, I want to hear "We're going to get you noticed by the NFL because we do things here like they do in the league. We run an offense (or defense) that will show them at the next level why you're ready. The rest is up to you but we will give you the best chance to advance."
 
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adam.vol said:
I clearly said they removed intelligence as a factor for success in the NFL and you keep trying to connect that with me saying “Hooker not being smart enough”.

Where could I have possibly have lost you? I’m afraid I’m not going to be able to dumb this down enough for you to understand. Good luck!
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They haven't clearly removed it. QB is still extremely hard and requires the ability to process info at a much higher speed than in college.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
A big part of getting to the NFL is obviously talent but it's also having film that stands out, gets you noticed, etc.

If the school you attend has less film that demonstrates how you can use your talent at the next level, your talent isn't being showcased well. If your school isn't playing an offensive scheme that translates well to the NFL, it makes it harder for you as a player to show you belong in the NFL.

When recruiting to the school, I want to hear "We're going to get you noticed by the NFL because we do things here like they do in the league. We run an offense (or defense) that will show them at the next level why you're ready. The rest is up to you but we will give you the best chance to advance."
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Wasn't film of Thornton at TN talked about and his Oregon film helped him during the draft?
Seems like I read that or my be he mentioned it.
Playing for SEC and B1G schools helps. Playing at the smaller schools I think you'd need more good film
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
Wasn't film of Thornton at TN talked about and his Oregon film helped him during the draft?
Seems like I read that or my be he mentioned it.
Playing for SEC and B1G schools helps. Playing at the smaller schools I think you'd need more good film
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I believe the talk around Thornton was he has great gifts but is really raw for running pro style routes. That's likely true of lots of rookies but there's some pointing at "the UT veer and shoot offense is hard to scout for the pro level."

It apparently is. We're winning so no reason to complain as long as we can recruit high level athletes to keep winning.

If I had an elite D Lineman kid, I'd tell them to look at Rodney Garner and UT and look at Larry Johnson at Ohio State. These guys will provide you with the education of how to play the game at the next level.

If I had an elite QB kid, I'd probably tell a kid to look at what Lincoln Riley has done with QBs in recent years to get them ready for the NFL.

If I have an elite WR prospect, Brian Hartline at Ohio State not only recruits high level talent but he gets results for that talent in the NFL often.

Getting the "next level talent" that brings home championships in college means getting guys that know they can play on Sunday and getting them means showing them you will coach them up to be ready on Sunday.
 
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