Hooker waived by Lions

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Franklin_Vol09 said:
Minnesota Vikings would be great for Hooker.

kevin o'connell can help with his development.
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The issue for Hooker is age. He's already 27.

Jalen Hurts is 27 and in the same year Hooker had his breakout year at UT, 2022, Hurts was in the running for NFL Player of the Year.

Josh Dobbs seems like a veteran, journeyman backup but he's only 30.

Hooker got a late start for a QB.
 
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His passes noticeably lacked zip in the pre-season games I watched of him. He never had an elite arm, but he also didn't have a pea shooter, so I thought it was a bit strange to see the ball floating so much.

He'll undoubtedly catch on somewhere that needs a QB 3. I think Miami would be a good fit given his skill set is similar to Tua's and given Tua's inability to stay healthy.

But the hope that we would ever catch on as a franchise QB somewhere has all but disappeared.
 
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vols 30 said:
Inb4 " Heupel's offense not helping UT QBs have NFL success"
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That's an odd take. I look at it like "Heupels offense is giving guys a shot at the NFL that otherwise would be working 8 - 5 somewhere else". Do you think Hooker was a hot NFL prospect before he came here? No, neither was Milton. They were both college rejects that got drafted BECAUSE of the Heupel offense. Just the facts.
 
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I posted this scenario after Hendon's disaster on National TV. Deer in the headlights. Hate it for Hooker, but in the NFL you gotta produce, and improve.
 
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Volnanza said:
That's an odd take. I look at it like "Heupels offense is giving guys a shot at the NFL that otherwise would be working 8 - 5 somewhere else". Do you think Hooker was a hot NFL prospect before he came here? No, neither was Milton. They were both college rejects that got drafted BECAUSE of the Heupel offense. Just the facts.
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Actually, look at Tim Tebow. It was clear to everyone he was great for Florida and in college as a QB but never going anywhere in the NFL at that position.

Some offensive schemes teach skills that easily translate to the NFL but Heupel's offense doesn't emphasize qualities NFL teams are looking for in QBs and WRs. It's not a new criticism as it was said about both Hyatt and Tillman concerning running routes.

With criticisms, if you hear it once, perhaps it's a fluke. Twice, you should examine it. More than that, you probably should look at what they're talking about.
 
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Volnanza said:
That's an odd take. I look at it like "Heupels offense is giving guys a shot at the NFL that otherwise would be working 8 - 5 somewhere else". Do you think Hooker was a hot NFL prospect before he came here? No, neither was Milton. They were both college rejects that got drafted BECAUSE of the Heupel offense. Just the facts.
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Not really if NFL teams see Heupel offense as a gimmick, sure it can work in college at least for a while but there's been questions about route running, Thorton got asked about it.
I think that's the reason we been hearing about Pistol formations being added to give UT's offense more of a pro type play book.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Actually, look at Tim Tebow. It was clear to everyone he was great for Florida and in college as a QB but never going anywhere in the NFL at that position.

Some offensive schemes teach skills that easily translate to the NFL but Heupel's offense doesn't emphasize qualities NFL teams are looking for in QBs and WRs. It's not a new criticism as it was said about both Hyatt and Tillman concerning running routes.

With criticisms, if you hear it once, perhaps it's a fluke. Twice, you should examine it. More than that, you probably should look at what they're talking about.
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You beat me to the punch haha
 
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It helps any system to have an elite QB but alot of people say you don't necessarily need an elite QB for this system. Regardless of the system if the QB puts up numbers they'll still get drafted.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
You beat me to the punch haha
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My concern in this is Faizon Brandon will have schools telling him UT isn't the best place for him if he wants to do well in the NFL. They'll point directly to the criticisms that Heupel's offense doesn't prepare QBs and WRs to excel in the league.

Until we have QBs and WRs who go into the league and don't have these criticisms, it'll be a recruiting issue for the really elite talent.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My concern in this is Faizon Brandon will have schools telling him UT isn't the best place for him if he wants to do well in the NFL. They'll point directly to the criticisms that Heupel's offense doesn't prepare QBs and WRs to excel in the league.

Until we have QBs and WRs who go into the league and don't have these criticisms, it'll be a recruiting issue for the really elite talent.
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And the other argument is Heupel's offense turned around some QBs and WRs careers and got them drafted when they may have not been otherwise.
 
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VOL6479 said:
That's what the QB coach for Detroit said. He blamed it on Tennessee's offensive system
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Hate to say it but I am beginning to believe that’s true. But then again, dod Fulmers, Kiffins, Dooleys or Butchs system set up any QBs for the NFL? Besides Peyton, we haven’t had any good QBs in the NFL.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My concern in this is Faizon Brandon will have schools telling him UT isn't the best place for him if he wants to do well in the NFL. They'll point directly to the criticisms that Heupel's offense doesn't prepare QBs and WRs to excel in the league.

Until we have QBs and WRs who go into the league and don't have these criticisms, it'll be a recruiting issue for the really elite talent.
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Unfortunately I have the same fears now. I really thought Hooker was going to be a quality starter in the NFL. Not an all pro but a solid starter. I mean Milton will likely never be a starter. Hopefully Brandon, GMAc and other future QBs don’t listen to those criticisms.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My concern in this is Faizon Brandon will have schools telling him UT isn't the best place for him if he wants to do well in the NFL. They'll point directly to the criticisms that Heupel's offense doesn't prepare QBs and WRs to excel in the league.

Until we have QBs and WRs who go into the league and don't have these criticisms, it'll be a recruiting issue for the really elite talent.
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I have that concern also and I think it's a legit one.
One of the worse thing that could happen this season is Nico goes to UCLA and looks like an elite QB while JA doesn't put up big numbers. Then people will be like why did Nico grow and JA numbers drop and why did Merk appear to have taken a step back if reports are to be believed.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
I have that concern also and I think it's a legit one.
One of the worse thing that could happen this season is Nico goes to UCLA and looks like an elite QB while JA doesn't put up big numbers. Then people will be like why did Nico grow and JA numbers drop and why did Merk appear to have taken a step back if reports are to be believed.
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You know I didn’t think about that. If Nico balls out at UCLA that’s gonna look really bad. It may be time for Heupel to look into getting rid of Halze and maybe changing his system a little.
 
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OleRockyTopTennessee said:
Did you watch his preseason play? It was pretty rough to say the least.
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I watched every Lions and Dallas preseason game. Hooker looked bad. Milton was Milton glimpses of Wow and then WTF although his last game he played pretty solid and looks to have learned somthings, he didn't make any bad reads other than kept looking down field to pass when he had the whole side open to run to get the 1st down
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You know I didn’t think about that. If Nico balls out at UCLA that’s gonna look really bad. It may be time for Heupel to look into getting rid of Halze and maybe changing his system a little.
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Word is they may be adding the Pistol to the playbook. That should help move closer to a pro style play
but I'm nervous about the season, so many unknowns, not too worried about the D. Offense, new QB, new Center, light at WR. At least we know JA likes to sling it so hopfully that'll keep other teams from stacking the box to stop our run game
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hate to say it but I am beginning to believe that’s true. But then again, dod Fulmers, Kiffins, Dooleys or Butchs system set up any QBs for the NFL? Besides Peyton, we haven’t had any good QBs in the NFL.
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It seems to be trending that way but the guys CJH actually recruited are just now going pro.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
I have that concern also and I think it's a legit one.
One of the worse thing that could happen this season is Nico goes to UCLA and looks like an elite QB while JA doesn't put up big numbers. Then people will be like why did Nico grow and JA numbers drop and why did Merk appear to have taken a step back if reports are to be believed.
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And then there is Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson excelled in the NFL came from similar offensive styles
 
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