Honest question

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Stoked4Zo said:
Ok here's one for you 99swamplizard. Your Gator's 2 loss season or sweet 16 lol.
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for me.....

i would take a conference title before any tournament success short of the final four.

that's me.

now, i admit i'd take the final four over the sec crown.
 
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iKrager said:
Not true, last year he almost coached him self into the tournament. We won our last 8 out of 9 games, and would have gotten in the tournament if we didn't lose at Georgia.
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But we did...and to Alabama twice if I remember right. Games we shouldn't have lost that ended up costing us the cut.
 
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99gator said:
they lost 7 of their last 8.

i mean, seriously.
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Is that how you define the success of a team? By their last 10 games they play? No. You look at their season as a whole.

Iowa's season
- Lost to Villanova in OT by 5
- Lost @ Iowa State by 3
- Lost to Wisconsin by 4
- Lost to Michigan in OT by 2
- Beat Ohio State, Michigan, Minnesota, Xavier, Nebraska

If they were so terrible or so horrid, why did they have several key wins this year and why were they able to keep those games so close? The Iowa team that showed up against Tennessee was the real deal.
 
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iKrager said:
Is that how you define the success of a team? By their last 10 games they play? No. You look at their season as a whole.

Iowa's season
- Lost to Villanova in OT by 5
- Lost @ Iowa State by 3
- Lost to Wisconsin by 4
- Lost to Michigan in OT by 2
- Beat Ohio State, Michigan, Minnesota, Xavier, Nebraska

If they were so terrible or so horrid, why did they have several key wins this year and why were they able to keep those games so close? The Iowa team that showed up against Tennessee was the real deal.
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at the time they took the court against tennessee, that was a bad basketball team.

i don't follow iowa basketball, so i don't know why they collapsed at the end of the year.

but, it's not really even a question. if you have 1 win in a month's period of time, there are issues.
 
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iKrager said:
Is that how you define the success of a team? By their last 10 games they play? No. You look at their season as a whole.
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iKrager said:
Not true, last year he almost coached him self into the tournament. We won our last 8 out of 9 games, and would have gotten in the tournament if we didn't lose at Georgia.
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So we define Martins success by the last 9 games and Iowa by all the others.
 
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Specs said:
So we define Martins success by the last 9 games and Iowa by all the others.
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Can you reword that? I'll try to understand what you're getting at.

Tennessee's season last year was a disappointment, we got snubbed from the tournament and even people like Jay Bilas thought Tennessee deserved a bid last year. We won 8 of the last 9 games we played and losing at Georgia really sealed the deal on our chances to dance. Our entire season was mediocre because we failed to beat anyone not named Florida or Kentucky AND we went on a 3 game losing streak to start SEC play.

Martin's success isn't solely based on our Sweet 16 run, even though a majority of the fans will believe it to be. Martin's success came from dismantling Virginia, playing Florida really well in the SECT and getting that win streak towards the end to PUT us in the NCAA tournament to have shot at the success.

Iowa had a good season. It was a disappointing month for Iowa basketball fans but definitely a good season for them.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
There are a few posters saying "judge Martin on his entire season this year." Here's my question, would you take our sweet 16 run and our up and down regular season? Or would you take Witchita State's undefeated season but get bounced by an 8 seed in the 2nd round?
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You take the Sweet 16 run 10 times out of 10.

However, you have to consider that an NCAA regular season is a larger sample than 3 NCAA tournament games. For the majority of this season, we more or less underachieved relative to the roster we had. We actually looked real bad at times... much worse than we ever should have looked at any point.

Eventually we got our **** together, and Martin deserves credit for that, but (and I hate to say this) it doesn't just totally erase the concerns that built up during the season.

So if there are people out there who still hold reservations, that is totally reasonable IMO. Actually, I still hold reservations myself; yes, the hope and the faith are there whereas they weren't before, BUT I'm not necessarily totally sold yet.

The problem with the Martin era has always been consistency. I want to see a whole season without any significant slumps. Now, no team plays well for a whole year; I know that. But let's see a season with only 1 or 2 hiccups as opposed to the numerous ones that have occurred every year Martin has been here.

And then you have BOP, who can't seem to enjoy or appreciate our current position and would rather ***** about losing to NC State in December than be happy about blowing out two tournament teams in late March. If we beat Bama in football next year, BOP will probably just ***** about last season's Vanderbilt loss and say that Butch Jones clearly still sucks and deserves no praise.

I think we should all enjoy this ride. Making the Sweet 16 is a special thing, and Martin has a REAL chance to do in his third year what Pearl didn't do until his fifth, and that's make an Elite Eight. And honestly? Even the Final Four isn't out of the question. And that's NEVER happened here.
 
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jtipto10 said:
a sweet 16 is obviously good, but 35-0 is something you can point to as a coach/fan/player and say that no one else has done it. I think that would be neat
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35-1, and the one was a big one.
 
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99gator said:
I misread the question too.

But, with regard to the Iowa game, it should not have been close
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In Iowa, you had a team that came out fueled by emotion. Those players came to play for a coach they loved who was going through a difficult time. They left everything they had on the court, and we(UT) withstood that storm of emotion and prevailed. They may have finished the season weak, but they put everything they had into that game.
 
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iKrager said:
Idk... To be one of the ONLY teams EVER to have an undefeated regular season.. But there's 16 teams that go to the Sweet Sixteen every year.. I'd go with Wichita State, but that doesn't demean anything from Tennessee's success.
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I'd rather be one of the many teams that's won a NC than one of the few that had an undefeated regular season. What's the point of being undefeated in the regular season if your season doesn't end with a title? But that's just me.
 
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Weezer said:
In Iowa, you had a team that came out fueled by emotion. Those players came to play for a coach they loved who was going through a difficult time. They left everything they had on the court, and we(UT) withstood that storm of emotion and prevailed. They may have finished the season weak, but they put everything they had into that game.
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I agree 100% and although it's a completely different reason I think the Tennessee players came together and played their hardest because of the petition to bring back Pearl. I think they took on an "it's us against the world" mindset when that ludicrous petition threatened "their" coaches job. I believe that mindset will continue throughout this tournament. The orange will prevail.
 
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Would rather have the sweet 16. Shockers played Kentucky closer than we did. Maybe we would beat either team now but Kentucky is also playing much better late in the season.
 
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I'd take the Sweet Sixteen. Easy.

I'd still feel more confident in the program if we went something like 24-7/25-6 in the regular season and lost the second or third round game, however.
 
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vollygirl said:
In college basketball the season is prep for the tournaments.
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:thumbsup: Yep. This is easy to forget.

But you have to do well enough during the regular season to get into the tournament. SEC regular season and SEC tourney championships would be nice too.

It does feel good to be in the Sweet 16 for a change.
 
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If I have to choose, I'd always pick winning tournament games. But it's very understandable to have an angry fanbase when you are one loss away from missing the tournament with such a veteran team.
 
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I'd take the 35-1 record along with Witchita's consistent level of quality play. There's no disgrace in their loss to KY. That was a well played game by both teams that went down to the last shot.

Now if we get to the final 4, I'd rather have our season!
 
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jtipto10 said:
I agree. But I think in 20 years the 35-0 will be a bigger deal. Sweet 16's happen every year. I just think the 35-0 stands out a little more
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They went 35-0; but they're also now the 35-0 team that couldn't make it out of the first weekend.
 
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walkenvol said:
I'd take the 35-1 record along with Witchita's consistent level of quality play. There's no disgrace in their loss to KY. That was a well played game by both teams that went down to the last shot.

Now if we get to the final 4, I'd rather have our season!
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