Honest question....

#26
#26
It's not Fulmer or Kiffin's fault anymore. Dooley is fielding a full team.
He is fielding a full team but he doesn't have a full roster of his guys.

Any red shirt seniors are Fulmers (2008 class).

Seniors and red shirt Jrs were Kiffins (2009 class)

Jrs and red shirt sophomores where from the class when Kiffin bailed (2010 class)

Sophomores and RS freshmen are from Dooley's first class that was a year behind on getting in on kids (2011)

Freshmen are the first class he has been able to recruit from the time they were juniors in high school. (2012 class).

That said, I don't think a coach should get a roster full of full cycle recruiting classes before a decision is made on him if the team is not progressing in a positive direction.
 
#29
#29
I like Dooley. I have defended him my faur share. The problems we have are enough to drive most anyone crazy.

Some issues are clearly coaching problems. Some are player issues. Some are bad luck.

I know the state of the programs ultimately falls on the head coaches back whether. It's all his fault or not.

I hate having a mix of several coaches guys. It causes division amount players and distrust which can be seen on the field.

We have some solid talent in most places but lack it in the secondary and we really need an elite rb. We don't have enough quality sec depth yet.

That makes me question why we switched to the 3-4 now. That is a bad coaching decision.

Game management has been terrible. That is ALL on the coaches. That has killed momentum and will cost us.

Tackling and lining up correctly are still an issue. This is another coaching issue.

It's hard to attract elite talent with minimum wins and nothing to sell other than tradition and facilities.

Today's kids are different and the don't care for tradition as much as kids of older generations.

Dooley has done a great job of restoring a program in shambles. We have shown we are very close to competing with elite teams but are yet so very far away from being elite again.

I don't think the whole staff is bad. I would keep graham and the o line coach. I'm not sure about the rest. The d line is playing well so maybe that guy can stay.

Dooley is a great representative for the vols but he is not a great football coach.

I tiknk we should keep him unless we can attract a home run coach next year.

If we get bad results with Dooley next year then there is no way anyone can rationalize keeping him.

Ill support this team no matter who coaches and I hope everyone else will do the same.
 
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#30
#30
Living in Texas I get to see the whole Mac Brown saga play out just like the Fulmer story. Im sure Texas will bring some top level coach when the time comes. We took a shot on Kiffen and got burned. Dooley took this job when any really top level coach would not return our calls. He has restored a level of class and presented and honored the traditions of TN football but....we cannot continue to get drilled by any team with a pulse.
 
#31
#31
What has Dooley TRULY done to make this team better, or rebuild us to where we expect to be??

It's 3 years, so what has he done to get us back??

OK, I'll put my head on the chopping block. Attention sharks, here comes the chum:

1. Produced excellent recruiting classes each year. If you are going to use the "the facts don't lie" argument, check the rankings. You are truly delusional if you expect a man to come in and pull top 5 recruiting classes under the dire circumstances the program was in when he arrived. Yes, Saban did it, but like it or not Saban is the king of college football right now and is approaching legendary status. The fact that Dooley has been able to produce top 20 classes is impressive. He won some major recruiting battles for top Tennessee HS talent and kept some great players in the state. And, this has made the team better.
2. Improved the running game. Call this recruiting, coaching, hiring a good O line coach, whatever you want. If you are going to crucify Dooley and "coaching" because Devrin Young fumbled late against MSU, then give credit to Dooley et al for improving the running game significantly. It is improved by the numbers and the eye test, and this has made the team better.
3. Made us relevant on the recruiting trail again. I know, you would be correct to argue that this has not actually made the team better. But it will. Remember the good old days when virtually every top recruit had Tennessee on their short list? We are close here- we are competing (and leading) for many of the top players in the nation, including the #1 rated RB overall. When Dooley got here, we were not even in the discussion with the elite. Over time, this will make the team better as he lands some of these guys. The corner is turned when we have players like Derrick Green in the backfield as opposed to players like Devrin Young. It seems to be coming.
4. Closed the gap. Yes, we are not there yet. Here's a little newsflash- we are not close to Bama, no one else is close either. But we are competing. As the rankings come out, please realize that our four losses are against 4 of the top 12 teams in the nation, including 2 of the top 3. I want to beat these teams too and I hate losing as much or more than anyone, but outside of Bama we were on the verge of beating UF, MSU, and UGA. It's not enough- we need to beat these teams and there are no moral victories, but did you see what happened to USCe yesterday? Does Spurrier now suck as a coach? These are great teams. We are not great yet. We can be great again, but from my point of view, we are a hell of a lot closer now than when we were 3 years ago. Translation: the team is better, and I choose to give Dooley some credit for that.

Alright, get out your pitchforks and torches and come on after me. But consider this- you may be absolutely correct in an assessment that Dooley is not an elite coach and that we could do better. We probably can. But everyone has to start somewhere, and Dooley came in and started in an absolute debacle and has pulled us a long way out of that deep hole. I'd like to see what he can do if we let him keep pulling, even for just one more year. I think if we approach this topic with less emotion and more objectivity, we can reasonably come to the conclusion that this program and this team is better than when he took the job. I understand we need W's and that is the bottom line. We are not the best, and Dooley may not be the man to get us there. But for as for me, I'm behind him as our Coach and I hope for his sake he finishes this season well. If he doesn't and we can't beat the teams that we are supposed to beat, you got me. It will be proven that I'm dead wrong and I'll admit it openly. But let's see what we can do. I suggest a little experiment- go and ask all your Bama, UGA, and UF friends (if you have any) and ask them if they think Tennessee is improving. My bet is that you'll get a lot of yes answers.

Finally, before anyone *****es about the length of this post, remember, you asked the question.
 
#32
#32
OK, I'll put my head on the chopping block. Attention sharks, here comes the chum:

1. Produced excellent recruiting classes each year. If you are going to use the "the facts don't lie" argument, check the rankings. You are truly delusional if you expect a man to come in and pull top 5 recruiting classes under the dire circumstances the program was in when he arrived. Yes, Saban did it, but like it or not Saban is the king of college football right now and is approaching legendary status. The fact that Dooley has been able to produce top 20 classes is impressive. He won some major recruiting battles for top Tennessee HS talent and kept some great players in the state. And, this has made the team better.
2. Improved the running game. Call this recruiting, coaching, hiring a good O line coach, whatever you want. If you are going to crucify Dooley and "coaching" because Devrin Young fumbled late against MSU, then give credit to Dooley et al for improving the running game significantly. It is improved by the numbers and the eye test, and this has made the team better.
3. Made us relevant on the recruiting trail again. I know, you would be correct to argue that this has not actually made the team better. But it will. Remember the good old days when virtually every top recruit had Tennessee on their short list? We are close here- we are competing (and leading) for many of the top players in the nation, including the #1 rated RB overall. When Dooley got here, we were not even in the discussion with the elite. Over time, this will make the team better as he lands some of these guys. The corner is turned when we have players like Derrick Green in the backfield as opposed to players like Devrin Young. It seems to be coming.
4. Closed the gap. Yes, we are not there yet. Here's a little newsflash- we are not close to Bama, no one else is close either. But we are competing. As the rankings come out, please realize that our four losses are against 4 of the top 12 teams in the nation, including 2 of the top 3. I want to beat these teams too and I hate losing as much or more than anyone, but outside of Bama we were on the verge of beating UF, MSU, and UGA. It's not enough- we need to beat these teams and there are no moral victories, but did you see what happened to USCe yesterday? Does Spurrier now suck as a coach? These are great teams. We are not great yet. We can be great again, but from my point of view, we are a hell of a lot closer now than when we were 3 years ago. Translation: the team is better, and I choose to give. Dooley some credit for that.

Alright, get out your pitchforks and torches and come on after me. But consider this- you may be absolutely correct in an assessment that Dooley is not an elite coach and that we could do better. We probably can. But everyone has to start somewhere, and Dooley came in and started in an absolute debacle and has pulled us a long way out of that deep hole. I'd like to see what he can do if we let him keep pulling, even for just one more year. I think if we approach this topic with less emotion and more objectivity, we can reasonably come to the conclusion that this program and this team is better than when he took the job. I understand we need W's and that is the bottom line. We are not the best, and Dooley may not be the man to get us there. But for as for me, I'm behind him as our Coach and I hope for his sake he finishes this season well. If he doesn't and we can't beat the teams that we are supposed to beat, you got me. It will be proven that I'm dead wrong and I'll admit it openly. But let's see what we can do. I suggest a little experiment- go and ask all your Bama, UGA, and UF friends (if you have any) and ask them if they think Tennessee is improving. My bet is that you'll get a lot of yes answers.

Finally, before anyone *****es about the length of this post, remember, you asked the question.

You are truly delusional . His recruiting has been below average. Kiffin had us on more top recruits lists and signed more top recruits. DD has gotten worse every year and we are on pace to finish 9th or 10th in the SEC. And the gap is wider than it has ever been . 1992-2009 3 30+ losses , 2010-2012 6 30+ point losses.
 
#33
#33
You are truly delusional . His recruiting has been below average. Kiffin had us on more top recruits lists and signed more top recruits. DD has gotten worse every year and we are on pace to finish 9th or 10th in the SEC. And the gap is wider than it has ever been . 1992-2009 3 30+ losses , 2010-2012 6 30+ point losses.

Record setting embarrassments, that is Dooley in a nut shell.
 
#34
#34
Tired of hearing we should give Dooley all this credit for the oline & run game being better. They should be good since there is a four year starter, 3 three year starters, & a first year starter that was an all american coming out of high school.

People want to praise Dooley for the improved oline play when they are just doing what a veteran oline is suppose to do.
 
#35
#35
Tired of hearing we should give Dooley all this credit for the oline & run game being better. They should be good since there is a four year starter, 3 three year starters, & a first year starter that was an all american coming out of high school.

People want to praise Dooley for the improved oline play when they are just doing what a veteran oline is suppose to do.

If you are going to blame Dooley when the players dont make the plays on the field (saying it all boils down to the coach at some point), then you have to give him the credit when the players do well dont you?
 
#36
#36
Our back 7 is aweful, but our best safety is hurt and we have been recruiting to address this need. We easily have 7 quality ofensive linemen. I can't really argue that our team doesn't still have deficiencies. We're Obviously not Alabama at this point, but if you look at the underclassmen, we've been bringing in bodies to fill exactly the needs you're complaining about.

To look at the roster today, and look at the roster after Kiffen left, it's night and day. If you can't see the difference, you're blind.

Why is it that we have improved our talent but our results are worse? In my opinion, our coaching simply has not adjusted to what our opponents have done. Secondly, the schemes that we run on defense do not work with this talent base. Please, someone, make some changes so that we don't go 3-9.
 
#37
#37
You are truly delusional . His recruiting has been below average. Kiffin had us on more top recruits lists and signed more top recruits. DD has gotten worse every year and we are on pace to finish 9th or 10th in the SEC. And the gap is wider than it has ever been . 1992-2009 3 30+ losses , 2010-2012 6 30+ point losses.

His recruiting is above average at UT
 
#39
#39
We are currently behind 8 or 9 teams in the SEC. His class rankings drop every year. His best classes were mostly Kiffin commits or the ones Kiffin layed the ground work on. Everyone except for CP.

You're right, he's a terrible recruiter for this up coming October signing day, let's not worry about the next 4 months.

10 years before he got here, UT average finish in recruiting was14th

His 3 recruiting classes average 13th
 
#40
#40
The guy can't coach. Can't win. And frankly his recruiting has been average when compared to the SEC big boys.

I may be delusional, but I believe Tennessee belongs among the elite and we will never get there with a below average coach.

I agree, Dooley is in over his head....Kiffin (I hate to admitt it) was able to get much more from less talent. This should be a good indication of his coaching ability. It may take us 2-3 more years to get back to competing but at this point I don't think there is anywhere to go but up...if Dooley does stay it says the powers to be at Tennessee simply don't care
 
#41
#41
What has Dooley TRULY done to make this team better, or rebuild us to where we expect to be??

It's 3 years, so what has he done to get us back??

A full roster with actual depth, some legitimate bodies at the LOS and some talent at the skill positions. He obviously hasn't translated that into wins, but there's not a doubt in my mind that we're better. The problem is that it appears that roster management is about as far as he got.

He needs to go, but he's going to leave a much better situation than the last two guys did.
 
#42
#42
A full roster with actual depth, some legitimate bodies at the LOS and some talent at the skill positions. He obviously hasn't translated that into wins, but there's not a doubt in my mind that we're better. The problem is that it appears that roster management is about as far as he got.

I think that is fair....but boy, we sure have recruited a ton of DBs...that stings when you go back and "watch the film" so far.
 
#43
#43
I think that is fair....but boy, we sure have recruited a ton of DBs...that stings when you go back and "watch the film" so far.

I'm at a complete loss as to why its so hard for DBs to get lined up and know the coverage. I mean, you're either in man or you're picking up a Half, third or quarter deep or squatting underneath. There's just not that many options.
 
#44
#44
I think that is fair....but boy, we sure have recruited a ton of DBs...that stings when you go back and "watch the film" so far.

I agree with GAVol 100%. Also, a lot of our DB's are gonna be good, they are just young. McNeil, Randolph, and Coleman are gonna be really good players for us. IMO
 
#45
#45
OK, I'll put my head on the chopping block. Attention sharks, here comes the chum:

1. Produced excellent recruiting classes each year. If you are going to use the "the facts don't lie" argument, check the rankings. You are truly delusional if you expect a man to come in and pull top 5 recruiting classes under the dire circumstances the program was in when he arrived. Yes, Saban did it, but like it or not Saban is the king of college football right now and is approaching legendary status. The fact that Dooley has been able to produce top 20 classes is impressive. He won some major recruiting battles for top Tennessee HS talent and kept some great players in the state. And, this has made the team better.
2. Improved the running game. Call this recruiting, coaching, hiring a good O line coach, whatever you want. If you are going to crucify Dooley and "coaching" because Devrin Young fumbled late against MSU, then give credit to Dooley et al for improving the running game significantly. It is improved by the numbers and the eye test, and this has made the team better.
3. Made us relevant on the recruiting trail again. I know, you would be correct to argue that this has not actually made the team better. But it will. Remember the good old days when virtually every top recruit had Tennessee on their short list? We are close here- we are competing (and leading) for many of the top players in the nation, including the #1 rated RB overall. When Dooley got here, we were not even in the discussion with the elite. Over time, this will make the team better as he lands some of these guys. The corner is turned when we have players like Derrick Green in the backfield as opposed to players like Devrin Young. It seems to be coming.
4. Closed the gap. Yes, we are not there yet. Here's a little newsflash- we are not close to Bama, no one else is close either. But we are competing. As the rankings come out, please realize that our four losses are against 4 of the top 12 teams in the nation, including 2 of the top 3. I want to beat these teams too and I hate losing as much or more than anyone, but outside of Bama we were on the verge of beating UF, MSU, and UGA. It's not enough- we need to beat these teams and there are no moral victories, but did you see what happened to USCe yesterday? Does Spurrier now suck as a coach? These are great teams. We are not great yet. We can be great again, but from my point of view, we are a hell of a lot closer now than when we were 3 years ago. Translation: the team is better, and I choose to give Dooley some credit for that.

Alright, get out your pitchforks and torches and come on after me. But consider this- you may be absolutely correct in an assessment that Dooley is not an elite coach and that we could do better. We probably can. But everyone has to start somewhere, and Dooley came in and started in an absolute debacle and has pulled us a long way out of that deep hole. I'd like to see what he can do if we let him keep pulling, even for just one more year. I think if we approach this topic with less emotion and more objectivity, we can reasonably come to the conclusion that this program and this team is better than when he took the job. I understand we need W's and that is the bottom line. We are not the best, and Dooley may not be the man to get us there. But for as for me, I'm behind him as our Coach and I hope for his sake he finishes this season well. If he doesn't and we can't beat the teams that we are supposed to beat, you got me. It will be proven that I'm dead wrong and I'll admit it openly. But let's see what we can do. I suggest a little experiment- go and ask all your Bama, UGA, and UF friends (if you have any) and ask them if they think Tennessee is improving. My bet is that you'll get a lot of yes answers.

Finally, before anyone *****es about the length of this post, remember, you asked the question.


The chum shot....sounds dirty.

We are better. No doubt. But Kiffy pulled a top-10 class when we were a doormat. Dools has added some bodies. But he has given about half his schollies to guys who no other sec schools wanted.
 
#46
#46
The chum shot....sounds dirty.

We are better. No doubt. But Kiffy pulled a top-10 class when we were a doormat. Dools has added some bodies. But he has given about half his schollies to guys who no other sec schools wanted.

Not sure id go that far. He's definitely settled on some 2-3 star guys, but he didn't have a lot of choice. He had a roster to fill up and he needed guys to stick.
 
#47
#47
The chum shot....sounds dirty.

We are better. No doubt. But Kiffy pulled a top-10 class when we were a doormat. Dools has added some bodies. But he has given about half his schollies to guys who no other sec schools wanted.

Kiffy's class was very Fulmeresque. Lots of flash. I wish I could say he didn't recruit to needs, but we had needs all over the place. I will say I was very disappointed with O's ability to find some quality DL and LBs.
 
#49
#49
I believe Dooley is an adequate recruiter. It is my opinion that UT has the players to win football games. However, my biggest critique of Coach Dooley is that he makes emotion based decisions as opposed to using an analytical thought process. Next, I believe these young men (at a few positions) aren't being coached at a SEC level.
 
#50
#50
I believe Dooley is an adequate recruiter. It is my opinion that UT has the players to win football games. However, my biggest critique of Coach Dooley is that he makes emotion based decisions as opposed to using an analytical thought process. Next, I believe these young men (at a few positions) aren't being coached at a SEC level.

I don't think he does anything at an emotional level. I think everything is analyzed. And that's the problem.
 
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