HomeGrown: Phillip Fulmer

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It is time to get over the negative attitudes about CPF. We should celebrate his contributions and move on . He is an all time great and though he struggled at the end he recruited and coached some of the most exciting and talented teams we have ever had.
 
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thebjd said:
It is time to get over the negative attitudes about CPF. We should celebrate his contributions and move on . He is an all time great and though he struggled at the end he recruited and coached some of the most exciting and talented teams we have ever had.
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10 years = the end. How long do you think he was HC at UT?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Crompton is on the Patriots roster
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Then shortgamevol stands corrected.

2x NFL QBs

I'll be honest. I'm glad JC didn't walk out as one of the most hated Vols of all time, but he is one of the few whose career I won't be following in the NFL.
 
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utgibbs said:
Had the old coaching staff been around, the same seniors would have said the same thing as those seniors would have been shouldering the games for the first time in their career. The playing experience makes all the difference.
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The old coaching staff forgot about Hardesty
 
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posivol said:
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Why hasn't anyone of sigificance with a HC opening offered him a job?
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why were we unable to hire a big name coach to replace him (twice).

could be related w/ the way he was fired,it all seems tainted to me.

maybe hes been black listed,maybe we are as well.[/QUOTE]

Failed to hire a big name coach? The first guy has been an NFL head coach and now coaches one of the storied programs in college football. Agree that Dooley wasn't a big name but your dislike for Kiffin blinds you to reality.
 
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volinasheville said:
Failed to hire a big name coach? The first guy has been an NFL head coach and now coaches one of the storied programs in college football. Agree that Dooley wasn't a big name but your dislike for Kiffin blinds you to reality.
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I hope to heck by "big name" you mean Daddy Kiffin. Otherwise it's :lolabove:
 
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shortgameVol said:
YOu made the post as if both players were "playing" in the NFL. Ainge never actually played and Crompton couldn't make a roster.

You make the dumbest and most uninformed comments when the subject of a thread is Phillip Fulmer. He had a good run in the 90s. He was mediocre, at best, during the last decade.
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It is funny hearing someone that doesn't even realize their argument undermines their claim call someone else "the dumbest and most uninformed" but it fits the bar-room mentality of the kiddie fans who frequent this board.

Winning the games with Ainge we won over his tenure, when he wasn't even an NFL QB (per your argument), would contradict your claim that Fulmer was a "mediocre" coach. That shows the coaching was better than believed, and Ainge over-performed during most of his tenure here, not the other way around. Just as Clausen, Martin, Shuler and Kelly did before him -- all QBs who put up NFL-caliber numbers in college but turned out not to be NFL starting level QB talents, a sign of over-performance during college, to which a coach should get the credit.
 
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LWSVOL said:
that wasn't that big a factor. Johnny did himself in. he had been pissing important people off prior to his heart issues and it got worse after that.

several assistants left locker room at halftime and were ready to turn in notices and CPF talked them back in. That got to Dickey and from there, things steamed roll on Johnny. he PO'd a bunch of high placed boosters at an October reception including a former team mate. was the last straw and then came Memphis.

Fulmer did have some inquiries and there was talk of him getting a head coaching opportunity but that was not as large a factor, IMO, as Johnny's own actions.
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Precisely. And, pre-Fulmer as OC, we mostly stunk under Johnny, during a down era in SEC football, no less, so he had little immunity coming his way.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
At the end of the day IMO he did two things that cost him.

1) he would let people do their thing and them come in and meddle/change in the process and frustrate everyone.

2) he let certain assistants have too much clout/power and didn't do anything to stop them when they stepped out of line.
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Two statements that completely contradict each other. Kudos for taking the anti-Fulmer logic to new illogical extremes. So, according to #2, Fulmer "didn't do anything to stop" his assistants but according to #1, also "come and meddle/change and frustrate everyone." In other words, he meddled too much, and oh yeah, completely failed to meddle too.

Bottom line is this -- Fulmer's 90's success elevated Tennessee expectation beyond all reason, especially given Tennessee's lack of local talent when access to local talent is the defining aspect of success in this big-money-coaches era of college football. When he overachieved this past decade, but the competitive landscape kept us from overachieving as much as we did in the 90's, then fans blamed Fulmer personally, with every self-contradictory logic and personal innuendo they could muster, rather than face the reality of Tennessee's place in the current competitive landscape. To do so, Tennessee fans enamored and nurtured the same illusions and delusions most people suffer from -- the belief they control more of the outcome of their world surroundings than they actually do. Now Tennessee fans will have to find out the hard way just what performing-to-par looks like for Tennessee football.
 
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VegasVol said:
Two statements that completely contradict each other. Kudos for taking the anti-Fulmer logic to new illogical extremes. So, according to #2, Fulmer "didn't do anything to stop" his assistants but according to #1, also "come and meddle/change and frustrate everyone." In other words, he meddled too much, and oh yeah, completely failed to meddle too.

Bottom line is this -- Fulmer's 90's success elevated Tennessee expectation beyond all reason, especially given Tennessee's lack of local talent when access to local talent is the defining aspect of success in this big-money-coaches era of college football. When he overachieved this past decade, but the competitive landscape kept us from overachieving as much as we did in the 90's, then fans blamed Fulmer personally, with every self-contradictory logic and personal innuendo they could muster, rather than face the reality of Tennessee's place in the current competitive landscape. To do so, Tennessee fans enamored and nurtured the same illusions and delusions most people suffer from -- the belief they control more of the outcome of their world surroundings than they actually do. Now Tennessee fans will have to find out the hard way just what performing-to-par looks like for Tennessee football.
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that's certainly where Hambone has taken us
 
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This is bull. I talked to an LSU player recently who wanted to come to TN growing up (90s) and not LSU because he thought of one as successful and the other not. By the time he was actually deciding, Saban had changed the perception of LSU for the better and Fulmer had declined so much that he did not like TN.

Losing Garner was part of the start of Fulmer's decline, but he also really dropped off in player evaluation and player development. He started taking low character kids who he couldnt protect because of his hubris given his ability to keep an illiterate thug with no impulse control like Travis Henry in school. By the end, our roster was awful, 4th in the SECE and closer to 5th than 3rd. That is Fulmer.

Tennessee can again be a top 10 program. It requires recruiting nationally but also doing very well picking up some sleepers from Florida and Alabama and some top talent from GA, SC, NC and KY. If we started getting some consistent studs from VA it would help a lot as well, although Beamer sure seems to get all the ones closer to Knoxville who are worth a darn.

We do not have to be a mediocre program. Neyland's greatness created expectations that Phil only met in 1998. We had the talent to do it in 2001 but Phil lost control of his team.
 
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kptvol said:
Absolutely. There's no way the talent level on the team will improve over the stacked roster we had in 2010.
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Exactly. When you have Joseph Ayers and a couple of defensive ends playing DT, it simply doesn't get any better than that.
 
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kptvol said:
Of course Fulmer has no responsibility for the lack of upperclassmen contributors.
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Fulmer's upperclassmen, his recruits, and a few Dooley recruits were the only contributors to last year's team. And, of course, there would have been more Fulmer upperclassmen and recruits without the attrition afflicted on us by Kiffin.
 
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utgibbs said:
Fulmer's upperclassmen, his recruits, and a few Dooley recruits were the only contributors to last year's team. And, of course, there would have been more Fulmer upperclassmen and recruits without the attrition afflicted on us by Kiffin.
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The fact that you still regurgitate that garbage after it's been thoroughly debunked is just a testament to the impenetrability of your delusion.
 
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kptvol said:
The fact that you still regurgitate that garbage after it's been thoroughly debunked is just a testament to the impenetrability of your delusion.
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It hasn't been debunked. I "debunked" your alleged debunking. In other words, I debunked your bunk. :)

Janzen + Bray = Kiffin contributors. And, I'm letting Bray go since Ogre and Hero forfeited the EEs when they tried to convince them not to attend class.

Otherwise, Dooley + Fulmer.

In addition, we've been over the performance of several former Vols at different schools - the majority of whom would have been contributors on last year's team in a big way.
 
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utgibbs said:
It hasn't been debunked. I "debunked" your alleged debunking. In other words, I debunked your bunk. :)

Janzen + Bray = Kiffin contributors. And, I'm letting Bray go since Ogre and Hero forfeited the EEs when they tried to convince them not to attend class.

Otherwise, Dooley + Fulmer.
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There were quite a few Kiffin players that got more PT than Bray, but nice try.

You're clueless as usual.
 
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kptvol said:
There were quite a few Kiffin players that got more PT than Bray, but nice try.

You're clueless as usual.
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Sure, Janzen.

Again, I'm actually just trying to be merciful you and your Hero. Technically, Bray isn't one of his recruits.
 
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