Hokies open as -4.5 point favorite

#51
#51
volmanbill said:
Doesn't seem out of line based on our late season showing....but....I think the line will edge closer as the Vols get healthy and prepped for the game.

Some good stats here.
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The line will move based on who's betting whom. I think it will go up, since the public likes the favorite, and VT is in the top 20 and UT is not---and VT has the better record. VT by 6-7 at kickoff--IMO.
 
#52
#52
ZZ13 said:
Just don't wear the orange pants and we will get the W. The rest of this pre-game analysis is irrelevant.
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:lolabove:
I said when the Kentucky game started "if we win tonight, we will never don the orange pants ever again under Lane Kiffin". I think he's a superstitious guy. Or I'm trying to justify my weird superstitions :)
 
#54
#54
TNvol86 said:
Certainly you do not honestly believe that Va Tech had the 11th toughest SOS?? SOS is not a truly quantifiable number, and it all depends on the formula they used. I showed you earlier another computer has your SOS at 32, which seems more accurate...

Here is your schedule, again...

S5 Alabama 34, VT 24
S12 VT 52, Marshall 10
S19 VT 16, Nebraska 15
S26 VT 31, Miami 7
O3 VT 34, Duke 26
O10 VT 48, BC 14
O17 GT 28, VT 23
O29(Th) UNC 20, VT 17
N5(Th) VT 16, ECU 3
N14 VT 36, MD 9
N21 VT 38, NC State 10
N28 VT 42, UVa 13
D31 Chick-fil-A Bowl
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Uhhh derrr, SOS is certainly quantifyable when someone (Jeff Sagarin) with 3 times the football knowledge as yourself, a ranking system that actually counts in real rankings, and a respected computer program to determine it say we're #11. Sorry but I'm going to take Sagarin and BCS over your opinion. If it's not quantifyable, then why are you even arguing that yours is tougher than ours? What basis do you have for that? You have to use numbers somehow.
 
#55
#55
HokieHi09 said:
Uhhh derrr, SOS is certainly quantifyable when someone (Jeff Sagarin) with 3 times the football knowledge as yourself, a ranking system that actually counts in real rankings, and a respected computer program to determine it say we're #11. Sorry but I'm going to take Sagarin and BCS over your opinion. If it's not quantifyable, then why are you even arguing that yours is tougher than ours? What basis do you have for that? You have to use numbers somehow.
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for years Sagarin named OSU his 1998 Nat champ. Forgive us if we don't think he's the smartest man alive
 
#56
#56
That's fine. We can compare apples to apples all day long, but in the end our SOS is tougher. You had a weak OOC slate that's dragging you down and Vandy, KY, USC, and UGA aren't necesarily that good this year. Furthermore, the mid-late season decline of Ole Miss into 8-4 land and Auburn going 7-5 kinda maintain a ranking. Props that you played Bama and Florida, but again we stepped up and played the Eventual national champs too.
 
#58
#58
utvolpj said:
they both beat up on the best the ACC had to offer. I'll admit they were average/mediocre in the SEC but
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And both are still 7-5, and we didn't play Clemson, they have 0 affect on our SOS. GT is still 11-2 and Top 10. They help our SOS.
 
#59
#59
It is great to praise the win totals of the ACC teams but when you realize a win, in conference in the ACC is no big deal it becomes much less impressive.

Where would Kentucky finish in the ACC? 3rd or 4th?

Where would South Carolina finish in the ACC? 4th or 5th

Where would VT finish in the SEC? Certainly behind Alabama, Florida, and LSU. Probably behind Ole Miss. I guess we will find out on Dec 31 if they would have in fact been behind the Big Orange.
 
#60
#60
HokieHi09 said:
Uhhh derrr, SOS is certainly quantifyable when someone (Jeff Sagarin) with 3 times the football knowledge as yourself, a ranking system that actually counts in real rankings, and a respected computer program to determine it say we're #11. Sorry but I'm going to take Sagarin and BCS over your opinion. If it's not quantifyable, then why are you even arguing that yours is tougher than ours? What basis do you have for that? You have to use numbers somehow.
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College Football Power Ratings - College FB Strength of Schedule Power Rating on TeamRankings.com

Well derr, this website quantifies it in a different way, and they have three times the football knowledge as yourself. It says you have the 32nd toughest strength of schedule, and Tennessee has the 10th toughest. This sounds more accurate. I've not looked at Sagarin's formula, but I assume he does it based on opponents wins. So in that case, your win over East Carolina counts more than our wins over teams like Georgia and South Carolina, though most rational people would say that Georgia and South Carolina are better teams than East Carolina.
 
#61
#61
Also keep in mind that the ACC, since the beginning of our current system has only won 2 BCS games!!! Are you serious? One was against then Big East member VT and the other was over a mediocre Cincinatti team last year, also a member of the Big Least.

FACT: The SEC has won 5 of 11 BCS titles

The SEC has won more BCS titles than the entire ACC has won BCS games!!!
 
#62
#62
TNvol86 said:
College Football Power Ratings - College FB Strength of Schedule Power Rating on TeamRankings.com

Well derr, this website quantifies it in a different way, and they have three times the football knowledge as yourself. It says you have the 32nd toughest strength of schedule, and Tennessee has the 10th toughest. This sounds more accurate. I've not looked at Sagarin's formula, but I assume he does it based on opponents wins. So in that case, your win over East Carolina counts more than our wins over teams like Georgia and South Carolina, though most rational people would say that Georgia and South Carolina are better teams than East Carolina.
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Cool and when those rankings make into the BCS calculation, feel free to let me know and I'll take them seriously.
 
#64
#64
I just hope that VT doesn't block a kickoff....

Vols 28
Turks 17
 
#65
#65
HokieHi09 said:
Cool and when those rankings make into the BCS calculation, feel free to let me know and I'll take them seriously.
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Well if we're going the BCS route, I believe Va Tech and the ACC have proven themselves repeatedly in the BCS.
 
#66
#66
But who would WANT to win the ACC?

Seems like going to the prom with this hot girl that is just your friend. Might look nice to the people there but you know it doesn't mean anything.
 
#68
#68
JohnWardForever said:
The line will move based on who's betting whom. I think it will go up, since the public likes the favorite, and VT is in the top 20 and UT is not---and VT has the better record. VT by 6-7 at kickoff--IMO.
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Dropped to VT-4 today.
 
#69
#69
RadfordVol said:
But who would WANT to win the ACC?

Seems like going to the prom with this hot girl that is just your friend. Might look nice to the people there but you know it doesn't mean anything.
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That analogy is an insult to hot girls everywhere. Winning the ACC is like going to the prom with another dude. It might get you some attention, but it isn't anything to brag about.
 
#70
#70
HokieHi09 said:
No we won last year.
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Against a terribly overrated Cincy team that you struggled with. I'm well aware, I watched the game.

So Tech is an almighty 1-3 in BCS games, which apparently is good, and the ACC is something like 2-9.

Awesome.
 
#71
#71
rockytop9808 said:
Against a terribly overrated Cincy team that you struggled with. I'm well aware, I watched the game.

So Tech is an almighty 1-3 in BCS games, which apparently is good, and the ACC is something like 2-9.

Awesome.
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Not sure if 400 yards of offense against a team ranked 11th is struggling.
 
#72
#72
HokieHi09 said:
Not sure if 400 yards of offense against a team ranked 11th is struggling.
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Let's ignore the meager 2 touchdown score difference, though. The game was even until the middle of the third quarter.

Still ignoring the terrible record in BCS games, though.
 
#74
#74
HokieHi09 said:
Cool and when those rankings make into the BCS calculation, feel free to let me know and I'll take them seriously.
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Alright, you keep believing that Va Tech really played a tough schedule based on the ranking that you like best, but the fact is that Va Tech would have more losses with our schedule. I call that having a tougher schedule, regardless of any computer. Conversely, Tennessee would have more wins with Va Tech's schedule. I call that having an easier schedule.

Further, Tennessee is likely the second best team Va Tech will play this year (though the third best defense, as I've got to say Nebraska and Bama both probably have better defense), and Va Tech is probably 6th best team Tennessee will play (behind Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss... and maybe SC, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on them).
 
#75
#75
TNvol86 said:
Further, Tennessee is likely the second best team Va Tech will play this year (though the third best defense, as I've got to say Nebraska and Bama both probably have better defense), and Va Tech is probably 6th best team Tennessee will play (behind Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss... and maybe SC, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on them).
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No, Alabama, Georgia Tech, Nebraska, and Miami are better than you. I'm not saying you're terrible, but those four are very good teams. We had a solid schedule this year, and almost anywhere you go will agree.
 
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