Hmmmm......didn't know this about Vols recruiting.

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This is because we have to go out of state and get so many freakin kids. That number won't be nearly as high with the next couple of classes. We'll finally have the luxury of having top talent in our own backyard.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
To get the 15th-20th best class. That's awesome
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Winning will improve this.
During late 1990's- early 2000's the Vols were a powerhouse team. The elite players wanted to play here, as they do AL today.
For some reason, our coach at that time allowed our team go from a powerhouse to an average team to a bad team. Elite players are hard to pull to not so good teams. Dooley has done an excellent job in recruiting and TN is going to be competing for the SEC very soon . That's when we will start getting top 5 classes.
 
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The old adage goes something like this..."You have to spend money to make money...".
The rewards will be reaped at a later date.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
This is because we have to go out of state and get so many freakin kids. That number won't be nearly as high with the next couple of classes. We'll finally have the luxury of having top talent in our own backyard.
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We are less than 4 hours a way from Atlanta, Ga which is probably the second biggest recruiting city in America besides Houston. Not buying this far away from HS talent crap. Tell that to Nebraska and Oregon.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
We are less than 4 hours a way from Atlanta, Ga which is probably the second biggest recruiting city in America besides Houston. Not buying this far away from HS talent crap. Tell that to Nebraska and Oregon.
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Not to mention North Carolina and Virginia which are even closer than Atlanta. Those 2 states produce good talent year in and year out.
 
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I figure the biggest expenditure would be reestablishing relationships with coaches around the South East. CDD keeps saying how recruiting is a multi-year effort, so I'm sure he has been spending a lot of money establishing pipelines with a lot of high school programs so he can start identifying recruits earlier than their senior year. That would mean a lot of extra trips, extra time with the coaches and players explaining where the program is headed etc, etc.
 
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We have always had one of the highest recruiting budgets in the nation. I remember people complaining about it when I was on campus is 1992. And to suggest that the past two years of recruiting reflects immediately on the field is ludicrous. Those are freshmen and sophomores that should be competing for pt, not starting in an sec lineup.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
We are less than 4 hours a way from Atlanta, Ga which is probably the second biggest recruiting city in America besides Houston. Not buying this far away from HS talent crap. Tell that to Nebraska and Oregon.
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Well Nebraska and Oregon don't exactly land top signing classes either. You didn't prove a point. Oregon isn't far from California. Nebraska isn't far from Oklahoma, Texas, or Illinois.
 
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I'd be more alarmed if we weren't spending near the top. Even the worst coaches look better with talent. Just ask Larry Coker.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Seen some of em last year in the overtime of that Vandy game. Showed em who was boss. The $ sure is paying off already.
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So your fire Dooley agenda fails here. Most of the players who were recruited by Fulmer and Kiffin were gone and we had to play Sophs and Freshmen that DD recruited.
 
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lovavol said:
fill needs, thats what has to be done
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More than just filling needs, CDD has to build a team. A team that can stand face to face with Bama and LSU. Both of whom have fairly good talent bases. They both also cherry pick the entire country. Tennessee basically just cherry picks. We have no real talent base. Fulmer Dooley or any other UT coach faces the same problem every year, creating a championship team with kids from 10 to 20 different states. Not easy, at all. Fulmer got it all right 1 time. In 17 years. Majors didn't at all. Wonder how Dooley will fare?
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Curious what we have gained with all that money being spent over the past 10+ years? Especially when I look at where the Vols that go to the NFL come from. It was spent at that level long before Dools got here. How much has gone toward development of relationships in the HS coaching/player ranks in TN, GA, SC, NC, VA, KY and FL - which is where the vast majority should be spent? That versus left coast, Mid-West, Texas/Southwest, LA/ARKY, etc.? The old adage of over 80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers comes into play here.

I personally think Dools gets this and is working hard on rebuilding relationships in the primary area. Fill the roster from the primary area, then fill special needs from outside. Should bring the costs per player down over time and you end up with a product that understands the Tennessee tradition better.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
So your fire Dooley agenda fails here. Most of the players who were recruited by Fulmer and Kiffin were gone and we had to play Sophs and Freshmen that DD recruited.
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Not following the logic, but 1-7 in the SEC and getting beaten by over 3 scores a game is surely a failure at UT no matter who is in the game.

Also, I don't want to fire Dooley now. That ship sailed in December, unfortunately.

For what it's worth, a guy on another site --used to be a very credible poster here, Cardinal Vol -- says that people in the AD told him that the reason Hart was quiet after the Ky loss is because he was reaching out to a certain candidate that turned us down. He would have made the move last year if he could have gotten his guy. Cardinal Vol also adds that the bar is set at 9 games for Dooley to keep his job next year. This seems very logical to me, and I support that plan.
 
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Getting two very good recuiters from the Carolina's will help us eventually. We kind of lost our foothold over there. Those states are very close and a short drive for kids. I look for us to start tapping more of that Carolina talent like we did in the 90's.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Which is not exactly the far corners of the world. Dooley is not a good recruiter. The recruiting budget and facilities at UT are.
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Tennessee is one of the tougher recruiting jobs out of the traditional powers or big schools, especially with where our program has been lately. Dooley and staff have done a damn fine job.
 
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VolPride14 said:
Well Nebraska and Oregon don't exactly land top signing classes either. You didn't prove a point. Oregon isn't far from California. Nebraska isn't far from Oklahoma, Texas, or Illinois.
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Oklahoma is not a hotbed. Just as much talent in TN. Oregon is a long way from So Cal which pales in comparison to the SE United States. As Dooley said, we are within 300 miles of enough talent to win and win big.
 
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