History tells us to stick with Fulmer.

#76
#76
so with all these factors, fulmer is the only HC that can get the job done?

No, not the only one, but the most likely one. Especially given that if we lose Coach Fulmer, we might lose Askew, Oku, Giles and/or Petty. Also, Berry and Jones would be less likely to stay four years for a new coach than for the guy they trust.
 
#78
#78
No, not the only one, but the most likely one. Especially given that if we lose Coach Fulmer, we might lose Askew, Oku, Giles and/or Petty. Also, Berry and Jones would be less likely to stay four years for a new coach than for the guy they trust.

Candidly, how do you feel about Fulmer's record against top teams? Do you really feel that's something that's going to turn around? Why is this trend happening? Is it because he has less talent or is he a poor game coach? Just curious.
 
#79
#79
I expected 8 wins this year. The UCLA loss surprised me.

My confidence is fine. Coach Fulmer's record suggests that we'll be back to 9-10 wins next year. A couple of down seasons don't make a good coach bad anymore than a couple of up seasons make a bad coach good.

Fulmers record suggests we wont a championship anytime soon either.
 
#80
#80
No, not the only one, but the most likely one. Especially given that if we lose Coach Fulmer, we might lose Askew, Oku, Giles and/or Petty. Also, Berry and Jones would be less likely to stay four years for a new coach than for the guy they trust.

Keeping a bad coach in order to keep a recruiting class intact in for wussies. BAAAAAAAAA
 
#81
#81
No, not the only one, but the most likely one. Especially given that if we lose Coach Fulmer, we might lose Askew, Oku, Giles and/or Petty. Also, Berry and Jones would be less likely to stay four years for a new coach than for the guy they trust.
What has jones done that makes him even think he would be drafted after his junior year? Eric berry is as good as gone, but jones has done little more than run his mouth to the media.
 
#82
#82
No, not the only one, but the most likely one. Especially given that if we lose Coach Fulmer, we might lose Askew, Oku, Giles and/or Petty. Also, Berry and Jones would be less likely to stay four years for a new coach than for the guy they trust.

I don't see Berry being here four years no matter who the coach is. Money is by far a greater pull than a college head coach.
 
#83
#83
Candidly, how do you feel about Fulmer's record against top teams? Do you really feel that's something that's going to turn around? Why is this trend happening? Is it because he has less talent or is he a poor game coach? Just curious.

Great question.

I think it's a bit of both.

Coach Fulmer's game plan has put us in a position to win every game this year. Even our big losses can be traced to one or two situations where we didn't execute or we made horrible mistakes that put us out of it. However, our failure to execute in those situations should also be considered a coaching failure.

Coach Fulmer and his staff should have the players better prepared in those situations, but ultimately it is the players who have to play.
 
#84
#84
several years of really BAD football. I do not think Fulmer will turn this around because I do not think he's a smart man or a good manager. I also do not want to suffer through MORE crappy years in the wild hope that Fulmer will turn things around--he's 58, he blathers about nothing after every loss, he makes TERRIBLE game-day decisions, he can't coach special teams. He didn't replace Crompton in the auburn game! This is the dunce you think is going to return us to glory in a conference full of very good coaches? You think Fulmer is suddenly going to start beating florida? Dream on. We need a younger, smarter, tougher coach.
 
#85
#85
So, if we pay Phil more, we will get better results? Ok, let's give him 5 mill a year. What to bet what dividends that investment will yield?

You missed the point (not unexpected). Many of the posters on here want to point at Fulmers salary and claim we aren't getting our moneys worth. Based on that chart we are pretty much getting what we're paying for.
 
#87
#87
Great question.

I think it's a bit of both.

Coach Fulmer's game plan has put us in a position to win every game this year. Even our big losses can be traced to one or two situations where we didn't execute or we made horrible mistakes that put us out of it. However, our failure to execute in those situations should also be considered a coaching failure.

Coach Fulmer and his staff should have the players better prepared in those situations, but ultimately it is the players who have to play.

Lack of Execution reflects Leadership. He is the head man, making more money than I would know what to do with...the buck stops with him. Stop making excuses for him. BAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
#89
#89
Lack of Execution reflects Leadership. He is the head man, making more money than I would know what to do with...the buck stops with him. Stop making excuses for him. BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Why don't you go into the other room and play with your dolls while the adults talk for a bit.

By the way, you just restated what I already said.
 
#90
#90
Firing a coach for having two losing seasons in 16 years is for idiots.

Its not the losing seasons that seal the deal...its the ineptitude to comepte with our peers. Go ahead look at your demi-gods record against Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Saban, Tuberville....ITS HORRENDOUS! I think that IMPERICAL DATA shows that while we may beat Kentucky, Ole Miss and Vandy, we wont be beating the big dogs, and thats all that really matters.

Your lowered expectations belong at Kentucky. I bet you would look good in blue.
 
#91
#91
2002 also has to be considered a failure. We came off 2001 where we were 1 half away from playing Miami in the Rose Bowl for the BCS Championship. We were picked by many to compete for the NC and from that rain soaked butt kicking Florida gave us on, we were a pretty big disappointment; ending in one of the worst bowl performances I've ever seen. Which is another issue.....ever noticed how in the majority of bowls Fulmer's teams have been pretty bad? Even last year's win we tried to give away.
 
#93
#93
Why don't you go into the other room and play with your dolls while the adults talk for a bit.

By the way, you just restated what I already said.

I think my Law Degree gives me ample room to discuss things of this nature with you. Ill bet you have a Fulmer shrine in your closet.
 
#94
#94
Firing a coach for having two losing seasons in 16 years is for idiots.

It's not just "losing seasons". It's for not meeting expectations, which is considered failure.

2002, 2005, and 2008 all apply. In fact by that measure 1999 applies. We should have at least repeated as SEC Champions.
 
#95
#95
Look at all these "no avatar" newbs. I wonder how many newbies weve had come on the board in the past month?
 
#97
#97
Some kids, like alot of fans, are distracted by shiny things and latch onto the latest fad (ie, the spread offense).

For some reason, I've latched onto this fad of winning shiny conference championship trophies. But it's the darnedest thing: I haven't seen one in 10 years. Oh well, as you say, that's the normal ups and downs of a program. We wouldn't want to make any rash decisions.
 
#98
#98
If this had been the only year things were going badly I might agree with the OP.
However things have been going badly for quite a while now. The only one or 2 mistakes away from a win crap that fulmer spews out every week is getting old. People make mistakes its understandable. However when the same mistakes keep getting repeated over and over again thats not. There is a complete lack of discipline on this team. That goes all the way to the top.
 
#99
#99
First of all, to the people who compare Fulmer with Joe Pa, Bear Bryant, and whoever else, you are idiots. Fulmer is only a legend in Tennessee, not nationally. Secondly, there is no such thing as the typical ups and downs of a program. When you are struggling every other year in the SEC, you have many more issues than just the ups and downs of a program. Finally, why is it that anybody younger than 50 that posts on this website is a newbie?
 
Firing a coach for having two losing seasons in 16 years is for idiots.

Losing seasons these days for a major program are pretty much a thing of the past, unless you are really, really bad. Schedules are packed with enough patsies to eek out a winning season, even with a bad team. This year's team is an example, as we head for the soft part of our schedule. No one would argue that this is not a bad team, but there is a good chance we might end up with a winning record. So does that go to the credit side of the ledger for Fulmer, another season that's "not a losing season"? Let's face it, this year is a major failure, no matter if it is a winning or losing season at the end of the day.
 

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