Hiring a strength coach

#27
#27
how about long retrofit his plan to fit into 8 weeks instead of just complain about it and allow our players to get behind in strength
 
#28
#28
ThisIsWhyImHot said:
how about long retrofit his plan to fit into 8 weeks instead of just complain about it and allow our players to get behind in strength
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That or you know do what every team in High School and College do when there is a dead period on "practice activities". Long gives a senior a list of things they need to be doing in the weight room and that senior sees to it that people are doing their business.

I'm sure Tennessee and the football team has some form of that. Without coaches and trainers pushing them in becomes real easy to sit in the corner and chew the cud about random crap.
 
#29
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TheHill09 said:
The weight room is just as important as anything else in football. You can have perfect blocking technique but if you can only bench 125 you're going to get cleat marks down your back.
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I agree.

Has any of you guys went back and studied the Nebraska/Florida Championship game? I'm sure some will disagree,but I've never seen a OL just push every DL Florida had 5-8 yards down the field EVERY PLAY.That was IMO the most dominate Oline I've ever saw. :eek:hmy:
 
#30
#30
For once it wasnt me starting a thread about this issue. For all of Phil's talk about "pounding the rock" we are a finese team. I cant remember the last time we really physically manhandled someone other than some minor school in a paycheck game.
 
#31
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rexvol said:
For once it wasnt me starting a thread about this issue. For all of Phil's talk about "pounding the rock" we are a finese team. I cant remember the last time we really physically manhandled someone other than some minor school in a paycheck game.
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You should watch the Georgia game again.
 
#33
#33
Umm, guys, as pointed out in my earlier post there's guys lifting weights, different lifts and different positions mind you, that were not lifted under the previous regime. When multiple record lifts are being hoisted by different people at different positions (not just one beast throwing off the curve) then it is a tough sell to start blaming the strength coach. Things appear to be getting done in the weight room, don't just assume there's some 1:1 success ratio attached to that any more than running a 4.3 40 guarantees success in a WR or RB.
 
#34
#34
I dont know how good of a strength coach Johnny Long is we just dont dominate teams with our strength like we used to when we had Stucky. I know a bunch of the players are not big fans of his but that means nothing I'd rather have them hate their coach and be better players than have a Trooper like coach and not get any better. Long also stood by while everyone on our team got fat and slow a couple years ago and we had 220 receivers. We will have individuals who come in and do good but alot of times these guys are young guys who havent even hardly been affected by the weight program or were already huge before they got here like Reveiz. We need a coach who can take little guys and make them huge. We are not the power teams we used to be.
 
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mattvols said:
We need a coach who can take little guys and make them huge. We are not the power teams we used to be.
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I guess what I'm trying to get across is some people can really become fixated on some finite aspect of a player, strength or speed being the most common, and just start assuming some apparent abundance or dearth of said translates directly to play on the field. Justin Harrell was not terribly high on the tangible measurables but Albert Toeaina sure was and I don't think we'll have much of an arguement about who the better PLAYER was.

I've seen nothing in weightroom measurables that concerns me. Play on the field and just plain talent, especially at DT, has been the issue in recent seasons IMHO.
 
#36
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rexvol said:
For once it wasnt me starting a thread about this issue. For all of Phil's talk about "pounding the rock" we are a finese team. I cant remember the last time we really physically manhandled someone other than some minor school in a paycheck game.
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This year's uga game. Maybe arkansas too.
 
#37
#37
Imagine if the bench press had ANY correlation to the game of football. Maybe it's the coaching experience or the education in exercise science talking, but I'd be hopping mad if my guys could bench the weight room and had no deltoid, tricep, and flexor/extensor strength.

Of course, the problem is that none of that can be quantified in a single (mostly useless) movement, thus meaning there's no competition to be had. No one crowds around a handgrip ergometer to see who can compress the most.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Imagine if the bench press had ANY correlation to the game of football. Maybe it's the coaching experience or the education in exercise science talking, but I'd be hopping mad if my guys could bench the weight room and had no deltoid, tricep, and flexor/extensor strength.

Of course, the problem is that none of that can be quantified in a single (mostly useless) movement, thus meaning there's no competition to be had. No one crowds around a handgrip ergometer to see who can compress the most.
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i suspect that those capable of benching the weight room have considerable deltoid and tricep strength. hands and forearms, maybe not.

Alex Gibbs is a huge proponent of hand strength. Says that's half the battle.
 
#39
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Ohio Vol said:
Imagine if the bench press had ANY correlation to the game of football. Maybe it's the coaching experience or the education in exercise science talking, but I'd be hopping mad if my guys could bench the weight room and had no deltoid, tricep, and flexor/extensor strength.

Of course, the problem is that none of that can be quantified in a single (mostly useless) movement, thus meaning there's no competition to be had. No one crowds around a handgrip ergometer to see who can compress the most.
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Bench Press is actually a big deal in pass protection. Your top 6 inches of your bench press is what give you your initial punch to stop a rushing defender cold. For anyone else but an olineman I cant think of where they'd use it.
 
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#41
#41
Everyone wants linemen who are big and strong but also with mostly lean mass. Less then 20% bodyfat but still weigh 290 lbs and be 6'5". I would like to see them measure overall conditioning by measuring % bodyfat too.

Does it help to have a guy who weighs 295 but has the same amount of muscle mass as a guy who weighs 275 but is lean?
 
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