Hindsight 20/20

[King Webbsticles]

Because you don't run your mouth about "hiring a big name coach" without saying who the f you are talking about.
Ridiculous.

The names are irrelevant. Because whatever name is mentioned, the poster will get ripped, just because people already disagree with their other views.
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[Spartacavolus]

The names are irrelevant. Because whatever name is mentioned, the poster will get ripped, just because people already disagree with their other views.
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The names are irrelavant because there aren't any "big name" coaches out there last year or this year that UT could/would have snagged, and there won't be one in a few months either.

That's the point.

 

[King Webbsticles]

The names are irrelavant because there aren't any "big name" coaches out there last year or this year that UT could/would have snagged, and there won't be one in a few months either.

That's the point.

Not everyone throws out the suggestion of "big names". It is an assumption made by one side that usually coincides with the statements "You can't just throw a butt-load of money at someone" or "No one else could have done as good of a job".

"Big names" aren't the only option when talking about making a HC change. There are also plenty of options that are smaller names.

Doesn't really matter anyway. Any name thrown out there would just be met with ridicule and disagreement. For example, look at the posters who suggest Gruden would be a terrible hire.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

What exactly do you mean by "You people"? (That's a joke.)

What's elitist in saying that a person must perform in order to keep a job, any job? This is an open forum that has a defined set of rules as it is privately owned. As long as one remains within those rules, one is allowed to post their opinions. If you can't handle differing opinions without getting mad or irritated, perhaps a discussion forum is not the place for you. In addition, if you get "irritated" every time someone disagrees with you or responds in a way in which you disapprove, I bet you are on the verge of a stroke all the time. You are taking this way too personal. Relax, join the debate on the topic (rather than focus on the "ass"-like qualities of a poster, the conspiring cynical douchebagginess of someone that doesn't share your view, making false assumptions of other posters' self perceived perfect agenda and their desire to spread them, the untrue claims about a poster having a potty mouth, and false accusations of posters being elitists because they disagree with you) and present your view. It is a discussion. Your views will be agreed with by some and disagreed with by others. Those that disagree aren't questioning your mother's virtue or your parentage. It's not personal. If you take it that way, it's your own fault and no one else's.

Have you read allvol's posts?

I'm going to venture and say yes. Apply a good portion of my comments to his and VolBeef's remarks and they are very similar comments from both of them.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Not everyone throws out the suggestion of "big names". It is an assumption made by one side that usually coincides with the statements "You can't just throw a butt-load of money at someone" or "No one else could have done as good of a job".

"Big names" aren't the only option when talking about making a HC change. There are also plenty of options that are smaller names.

Doesn't really matter anyway. Any name thrown out there would just be met with ridicule and disagreement. For example, look at the posters who suggest Gruden would be a terrible hire.

Stay away from the debate, if you don't understand what is being debated. We aren't talking about other options. We aren't talking about who could or couldn't do a better job than Dooley. We aren't talking about smaller names.
Your boy said he would have hired Kippy, then hire a "big name" coach. Nobody on here has been able to come up with that "big name" coach that UT could hire. Gruden, Dungy, Cowher and all the other bs names thrown around count for nothing because they aren't possibilities.
If Dooley doesn't make it, the hire will be a retread HC that has had some success, or the supposed next up and coming young coach. It won't be a big name.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Seriously? It's bad to blindly follow anything. It's easy as it requires no effort, but it's wrong. Making an exception in this case because he isn't a "dictator", doesn't make it more acceptable. Extreme examples, admittedly, but perhaps we should have just blindly followed King George III. Blind allegiance is what gave us Nazi Germany and Jim Jones. It is the height of intellectual laziness.

It's bad? Really? Please tell me what's terrible about blindly supporting Dooley and believing he's going to be the best as long as he is UT's coach. Please tell me what terrible things will come of it.

The man's not authorized to make any rash decisions such as disbanding the program, having all new recruits sodomized or making decisions such as those by King George III like you so inanely referenced.

 

[King Webbsticles]

Stay away from the debate, if you don't understand what is being debated. We aren't talking about other options. We aren't talking about who could or couldn't do a better job than Dooley. We aren't talking about smaller names.

I was. I wasn't in your argument with whoever. I made a simple statement about the nature of this message board. I made no reference to anyone in a debate. And I stand by it.

Your boy said he would have hired Kippy, then hire a "big name" coach. Nobody on here has been able to come up with that "big name" coach that UT could hire.

Cool beans.

Gruden, Dungy, Cowher and all the other bs names thrown around count for nothing because they aren't possibilities.

Just endorsed my original statement. Any names mentioned would have been completely disregarded as you had done. And if it wasn't a huge, unrealistic option like you listed, it wouldn't have been considered a big name. See the catch-22?

If Dooley doesn't make it, the hire will be a retread HC that has had some success, or the supposed next up and coming young coach. It won't be a big name.

Agree, and it doesn't have to be. I would still like to think that the AD would take a shot at something big, just to see if we get lucky.

 

[JayVols]

Have you read allvol's posts?

I'm going to venture and say yes. Apply a good portion of my comments to his and VolBeef's remarks and they are very similar comments from both of them.

But you responded to me. I took that to mean the post was directed at me. It usually does.

I don't know the future, but the past is a good/not perfect indicator of what will come. We'll know after this year.

 

[Spartacavolus]

It's not a catch 22 if there is only one answer, and the answer is that there are no big names that would be on the Hill if that scenario existed and there won't be when Dooley leaves either.
Maybe we can get Turner Gil. He's an up and comer and many on here wanted us to get him. I think he needs a job.
Maybe Muschamp. Most of us wanted him. Now? Glad we didn't.
Maybe Chip Kelly, or Petrino, or Jeff Fisher. Or maybe not.
Or Kirby Smart. He sure has proved his worth with a 0-0 HC record.
Maybe Cowher is ready. Or Jimmy Johnson. Or Barry Switzer. Maybe Stoops wants to leave his perch at OK. Maybe Weis. Or Belichek. Dennis Erickson? Greg Williams is available. Mack Brown may want to come home. Forgot about Peterson at Boise. It's a no brainer to have a top 10-20 program now and already be a millionaire to go to the SEC and be on the hot seat in 3 years. He may jump all over that. Parcells? Mariucci? Ditka?

 

[King Webbsticles]

It's not a catch 22 if there is only one answer, and the answer is that there are no big names that would be on the Hill if that scenario existed and there won't be when Dooley leaves either.
Maybe we can get Turner Gil. He's an up and comer and many on here wanted us to get him. I think he needs a job.
Maybe Muschamp. Most of us wanted him. Now? Glad we didn't.
Maybe Chip Kelly, or Petrino, or Jeff Fisher. Or maybe not.
Or Kirby Smart. He sure has proved his worth with a 0-0 HC record.
Maybe Cowher is ready. Or Jimmy Johnson. Or Barry Switzer. Maybe Stoops wants to leave his perch at OK. Maybe Weis. Or Belichek. Dennis Erickson? Greg Williams is available. Mack Brown may want to come home. Forgot about Peterson at Boise. It's a no brainer to have a top 10-20 program now and already be a millionaire to go to the SEC and be on the hot seat in 3 years. He may jump all over that. Parcells? Mariucci? Ditka?

Not really a single person on that list that I would consider a legitimate option or a legitimate target and a few question your definition of "big name".

Maybe that is where our difference is, in our definition of "big name".

It would also explain the misunderstanding of the Catch-22

 

[Spartacavolus]

Not really a single person on that list that I would consider a legitimate option or a legitimate target and a few question your definition of "big name".

Maybe that is where our difference is, in our definition of "big name".

That was the entire point of my post.

If you have a different definition of a big name coach, who are your names? Saban? Urban?

 

[King Webbsticles]

That was the entire point of my post.

If you have a different definition of a big name coach, who are your names? Saban? Urban?

Turner Gil is a "big name"? Why, because he has coached a BCS team before? Kirby Smart? Because he is regarded as the next up and coming coach?

I guess, IMO, "big name" = "big success".

 

[Spartacavolus]

Turner Gil is a "big name"? Why, because he has coached a BCS team before? Kirby Smart? Because he is regarded as the next up and coming coach?

I guess, IMO, "big name" = "big success".

Still haven't named what you are referring to. I gave a facetious list.

 

[JayVols]

It's not a catch 22 if there is only one answer, and the answer is that there are no big names that would be on the Hill if that scenario existed and there won't be when Dooley leaves either.
Maybe we can get Turner Gil. He's an up and comer and many on here wanted us to get him. I think he needs a job.
Maybe Muschamp. Most of us wanted him. Now? Glad we didn't.
Maybe Chip Kelly, or Petrino, or Jeff Fisher. Or maybe not.
Or Kirby Smart. He sure has proved his worth with a 0-0 HC record.
Maybe Cowher is ready. Or Jimmy Johnson. Or Barry Switzer. Maybe Stoops wants to leave his perch at OK. Maybe Weis. Or Belichek. Dennis Erickson? Greg Williams is available. Mack Brown may want to come home. Forgot about Peterson at Boise. It's a no brainer to have a top 10-20 program now and already be a millionaire to go to the SEC and be on the hot seat in 3 years. He may jump all over that. Parcells? Mariucci? Ditka?

Jon Gruden, ftw!

His wife was a cheerleader and he was a GA at UT. He coached the Bucs; thus, he obviously loves the color orange. Well, the old school Bucs were orange.

 

[BringItBack]

He has this year to win. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. We'll know for sure around October when the meat of the schedule hits. Pretty well documented how I think it will go, but I'm not claiming it to be a lock. I hope he proves me wrong, and if he does, I'll admit it. Owning up to your mistakes is part of being a man.

I agree... But not having faith in him because he hasnt shown much to this point doesnt mean that you are wrong in assessing Dooley, even if he does win 9-10 games this year. Losing seasons say that you are not doing a very good job coaching, Its the reasons for this losing that gives him a pass... Because they are legit reasons. Its the fans that say he is absolutely not a ''good'' coach when he really has had one arm tied around his back from a roster stand point since his hire, he hasnt had the fair ammount of time or ''Horses'' (See what I did there?)to show them he can coach at an SEC level. DD wouldn't be here now IMO had he not been recruiting like he has been. But he has been solid... And everything that has been done on Dooleys part leads up to this year... When the talented and for the most part, deep roster will make or break him. He will either shine or be exposed. And by shining I mean 9-10 Wins. Anything less is a failure. Even 8 wins to me will not be enough to satisfy most fans that know their football and keep up with the program... And Im a pretty fair guy. The roster to me says 9-10 wins with the guys suiting up this season, and the schedule we have. He needs to beat Florida and possibly USC along with all of our OOC games, Vandy.. UK and hang with Georgia... and Not get embarrased by Alabama to prove to me he IS the man for UT or he should go find a job at a place like MTSU. And I have supported him from day 1.
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[vols-1]

People thinking Derek Dooley is the best that UT football can attract are insulting this program.

It was the best Mike Hamilton could attract. I don't think he would have ever done better than an unproven coach.

 

[Big Orange Slim]

Which head coach that was hired last year that we would have had a decent percentage of hiring would you have hired? One of the main reasons I ask is because, even though the win total has been lacking.... the depth and overall talent is coming up from depths I can't recall being at before. I believe that Dooley has built this team the right way, and hope that the win/loss numbers turn to where he can enjoy his hard work to bring in the players I believe will turn the program back into a perennial powerhouse. IMHO our sophomores will play in the SECCG before their time on the hill is over, and that is with Dooley in charge.

I totally agree. I am waiting for the wins and loses to show how successful we have been rebuilding a program with honor dignity and talent. Maybe we have not won as we would like but several other things show the improvement from the last of the Fulmer years.

 

[King Webbsticles]

Still haven't named what you are referring to. I gave a facetious list.

Gary Patterson
Pete Carroll
Mark Dantonio
Bret Beliema

These are, IMO, considered "big name" coaches.
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[JokermanVol]

Gary Patterson is a TCU guy for life imo.

 

[Pompey]

Yes. Kippy Brown is such a great HC option. Remind me of all the teams that lined up for him as their HC at the end of the season.

You can hate on Dooley all you want, but saying that Kippy Brown is a better option is moronic.

I second that motion......!

 

[jspvol76]

*emotion - Smokey Robinson

 

[GmanTN]

Hindsight 20/20 really depends on how well your "vision" was, back in 2009 IMHO

 

[JayVols]

It's bad? Really? Please tell me what's terrible about blindly supporting Dooley and believing he's going to be the best as long as he is UT's coach. Please tell me what terrible things will come of it.

The man's not authorized to make any rash decisions such as disbanding the program, having all new recruits sodomized or making decisions such as those by King George III like you so inanely referenced.

Sodomizing recruits? Wow. And you call my references inane. Pot, meet kettle.

Yes, it is bad to follow anyone blindly. If you don't know why it is, good luck in life. You're going to need it.

 

[KenSteph]

k:

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about and just want to argue. You proved my point in your nonsense. Mi good coach wanted the job when it was offered, so we settled for Dooley. If we wait a year, settle the program, we get a good coach.

Now we're in the 3rd year of a project that has failed in its first two years. I think we'll win this year, but the fact that it's even in question is disturbing.
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So exactly what good coach was available a yr later??? Muschamp?? See how well thats working for Florida and the situation he stepped into was infinitely better than what we had at the time.. What coach could we have brought in that would have done so much better than dd?? Im well aware at the time that DD was not the ideal hire at the time,but before u sit there and judge him think about the situation he stepped into and what coach if any would be successful under those circumstances? Its not like we had a whole lot of options, and if we waited im not sure any big time coaches would have wanted to walk into the $hit storm kiffin left... We were facing possible penalties from NCAA via hostess gate. Not to mention if we had waited a yr and used an interim hc we prob would have lost even more recruits. Give Dooley a chance. Some of u act like DD walked into a great situation, our roster was so depleted when he got here. We had zero depth and we were starting a ton of freshman!!! We are in the SEC, you cant win wo depth and freshman all over the field. Vince Lombardi would have had a hard time winning games w what we had. Dooley has upgraded our talent n depth enough to where we can finally compete again. I agree that he has to win this yr but acting like all these other coaches would have been successful here immediately is laughable.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Sodomizing recruits? Wow. And you call my references inane. Pot, meet kettle.

Yes, it is bad to follow anyone blindly. If you don't know why it is, good luck in life. You're going to need it.

You're Terible at this whole dialogue thing.

Reading comprehension is essential, firstly. Secondly, a reason as to why blindly supporting a football coach in his football matters is bad sould be a good idea too.

I didn't say anything about following anything else in life blindly. But again, that would require reading comprehension so what was I thinking.
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