Hey Hamilton, try this

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Don't count on it. Hambone has already backed off his public expectation of 2 SEC championships every 10 years to accomodate fulmer's substandard performance.
 
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Robinson was 7-28 coming into this season and is currently 8-31.

And let's look at something else.

Paul Pasqualoni was derided for running an "outdated" and "predictable" offense; the team began to decline in the latter part of his reign; the fan base grew uneasy and demanded a "modern" coach who the game hadn't "passed by".

They got all of their demands met, and look at it now. It has eerie parallels to Nebraska firing Solich and hiring Bill Callahan.

With that in mind, would you want Fulmer deposed and not really care who came in to replace him?
 
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colorado king said:
Never said that but it's hard to argue that a change is needed.
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A change for the sake of change is idiotic. Look at the aforementioned Syracuse and Nebraska situations, and I can throw in Ole Miss and Minnesota in the last five years as well.
 
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colorado king said:
Never said that but it's hard to argue that a change is needed.
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colorado king said:
So you're happy with the downward trend in UT football?
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This is why I can't stand reading most of these threads.

No one's happy with the downward trend. My point is, simply making a change for the sake of making a change is the dumbest thing this school can possibly do. To that point, I cited four examples of recent cases where a change was made for the sake of making a change and it completely backfired. Since you're too lazy to do 15 seconds of research, here you go.

NEBRASKA
Frank Solich -- 52-19
Bill Callahan -- 27-22

OLE MISS
David Cutcliffe -- 43-29
Ed Orgeron -- 10-25

MINNESOTA
Glen Mason -- 64-60
Tim Brewster -- 5-11, this season's tough schedule not included yet (1-11 before this season)

SYRACUSE (last 39 games)
Paul Pasqualoni -- 18-21
Greg Robinson -- 8-31
 
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zehr27 said:
yes.
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Fine, let's can Fulmer and bring in Bill Callahan.

Then we can sit around in five years and pine for the end of Fulmer's reign over the disaster that Callahan would bring.
 
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I agree with what Ohio Vol is saying. We don't need to get rid of Coach Fulmer just to get rid of him. You have to be able to find somebody that is going to be better and give the program some hope to return to the national spotlight. That being said, it is becoming more and more evident that a change is needed.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Then we can sit around in five years and pine for the end of Fulmer's reign over the disaster that Callahan would bring.
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Better yet we can sit around and watch five more years of the Fulmer disaster. Do you really, honestly think this situation is going to improve on its own?
 
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colorado king said:
Better yet we can sit around and watch five more years of the Fulmer disaster. Do you really, honestly think this situation is going to improve on its own?
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As soon as you can find me where I've said "let's maintain the status quo no matter what", feel free to act like that's my point.

Or better yet, find where I've said "Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end."

Good luck with that.
 
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Without searching through 872 post, why don't you tell us what your plan is for turning this team around.

Seems to me that the younger SEC coaches are doing much, much better than old Phil. The changes must have worked for them. But I guess a change (one that is obviously needed) won't work for us. Only those other SEC teams that continually kick our teeth in week in, week out.

BTW - I never even hinted at hiring Callahan.
 
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OK.
What did Urban Meyer do to Florida?
Nick Saban to Alabama.
Les Miles at LSU.

Those are just a few within the past few years around the SEC that came in a 'Got it Done'.

Are you saying UT could not do that also?

:cool2:
 
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colorado king said:
Without searching through 872 post, why don't you tell us what your plan is for turning this team around.
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That's a shame you don't read more of my posts; you might learn something.

Seems to me that the younger SEC coaches are doing much, much better than old Phil.
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Age is irrelevant. I look forward to watching Prune Juice King Paterno ripping the Big MAC apart this year.

The changes must have worked for them. But I guess a change (one that is obviously needed) won't work for us. Only those other SEC teams that continually kick our teeth in week in, week out.
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The right kind of changes worked for them.

South Carolina lost Lou Holtz and got Steve Spurrier
Florida lost Ron Zook and got Urban Meyer
Georgia lost Jim Donnan and got Mark Richt
Kentucky lost Guy Morriss and got Rich Brooks
Vandy lost Woody Widenhofer and got Bobby Johnson

That's five improvements in coaching over the last few years just in the SEC East.

All those teams made the right kind of change, not just a change for the sake of making one. That's why those five schools have improved, while those that simply made a change for the sake of making one (the four cited earlier by me, among others) went further in the tank.

BTW - I never even hinted at hiring Callahan.
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If you speak of making a change just to make a change, Callahan is the first example that I'll bring up.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
This is why I can't stand reading most of these threads.

No one's happy with the downward trend. My point is, simply making a change for the sake of making a change is the dumbest thing this school can possibly do. To that point, I cited four examples of recent cases where a change was made for the sake of making a change and it completely backfired. Since you're too lazy to do 15 seconds of research, here you go.

NEBRASKA
Frank Solich -- 52-19
Bill Callahan -- 27-22

OLE MISS
David Cutcliffe -- 43-29
Ed Orgeron -- 10-25

MINNESOTA
Glen Mason -- 64-60
Tim Brewster -- 5-11, this season's tough schedule not included yet (1-11 before this season)

SYRACUSE (last 39 games)
Paul Pasqualoni -- 18-21
Greg Robinson -- 8-31
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Phil's Record Against Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Florida since 2000 is 7-18. I don't see how someone that is competent can do worse than that. Even a 750 Pound Gorilla can coach well enough to beat UAB, Wyoming, Northern Illinois and Kentucky with the talent we have.
 
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Agreed, Ohio Vol. Who do we look at? Have a chance at getting? I hate it when people refuse to have an intelligent discussion, but only make general statements where there is only black and white...Although, no one (in their right mind) wants change just because. We all want an effective change..what is it, though?
 
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warhammer said:
I won't discount it, but are we really happy with eight-win seasons?
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I'm not happy with 8 win seasons either, but is there a coach that would be available, and that we could get now who could come in and immediately turn the program around? Especially considering how much it's going to cost us to replace Fulmer. We could end up with some coach who would have us wishing we could have 8 wins a season.
 
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I will be the first to say that a change needs to happen but you forgot one program that was a real powerhouse.larry coker came in and won a national title with past coaches talent and within four years he ran the program in the dirt.
Any coach that would be hired at this point would end up like ron zook he would never be given a chance.i think this program is in trouble no matter how you look at it. Fulmer should have been released after 2005 when we were ranked #1 or 2 and then made history that year.
So we have to be careful for what we wish for.
 
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akworthen said:
Agreed, Ohio Vol. Who do we look at? Have a chance at getting? I hate it when people refuse to have an intelligent discussion, but only make general statements where there is only black and white...Although, no one (in their right mind) wants change just because. We all want an effective change..what is it, though?
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The only important part about a new hire is someone that is able to both attract talent to UT, develop it, and use it within systems that maximize the success of the team.

All the other stuff is really irrelevant. Do they schmooze with boosters and alumni groups or not? It doesn't matter. Are they currently on campus or not? It doesn't matter. Do they come across as a good ol' boy or a raging lunatic? It doesn't matter. Are they black or white? It doesn't matter.

Coaching success knows no actual pattern with the exception of the first sentence of this post. Coaches of every walk of life, background, personality, and current employment have all had success, and all have also been fired repeatedly. The only constant is that the coach who is able to attract, develop, and properly use talent is the one that will have the most success. Those that fall down in one of those three, particularly in a conference such as the SEC, will go the way of Ron Zook.
 
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