Hey Governmentmule - softball thread needed

#76
#76
Vol Twitter account says:

Snow has stopped already. Should be good to go by 1 PM. Gonna be cold but we'll play.
 
#77
#77
sccshortstop said:
I would be 99% of all the major programs will turn smaller speed players around like we do. In many cases that has happened in summer leagues before the girls even get to college.
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I'm not trying to rile you up, but you are totally wrong on this statement. I would bet that a vast majority of the top 20 programs do not turn RH hitters around to make them slappers. In fact, I challenge you to find more than a handful that the Weekly's have SUCCESSFULLY done this with. It's just not easy to do. If they haven't done it by the time they are 12-13, it's probably not going to work.

Do the Weekly's do this? Yes they do. And that is one of my beef with them. It's a common running theme with TB coaches around Tennessee about them. It's known that they will do this to speedy players, and if they can't, they will use them for only pinch runners. Like Tim said above, they value the slappers much more than most programs, almost to the point that they have tilted their program too far in that direction.

The Weekly's have their philosophy, but I think they are getting passed up by a bunch of coaches in this league because they are so set with this.

Look, I probably don't have 25% of your knowledge of Vols softball and I apologize for this rant. It is not directed at you. I want them to succeed but I not a sunshine pumper and I don't see it this year. Maybe next year/maybe not.
 
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#78
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MadWorld said:
I'm not trying to rile you up, but you are totally wrong on this statement. I would bet that a vast majority of the top 20 programs do not turn RH hitters around to make them slappers. In fact, I challenge you to find more than a handful that the Weekly's have SUCCESSFULLY done this with. It's just not easy to do. If they haven't done it by the time they are 12-13, it's probably not going to work.

Do the Weekly's do this? Yes they do. And that is one of my beef with them. It's a common running theme with TB coaches around Tennessee about them. It's known that they will do this to speedy players, and if they can't, they will use them for only pinch runners. Like Tim said above, they value the slappers much more than most programs, almost to the point that they have tilted their program too far in that direction.

The Weekly's have their philosophy, but I think they are getting passed up by a bunch of coaches in this league because they are so set with this.

Look, I probably don't have 25% of your knowledge of Vols softball and I apologize for this rant. It is not directed at you. I want them to succeed but I not a sunshine pumper and I don't see it this year. Maybe next year/maybe not.
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You're completely wrong. Virtually every slapper that has played at Tennessee since the Weekeys arrived was already a slapper before she ever got here.

The only three that I can even think of that they turned into slappers were Sarah Fekete, who ended up an all-American, Kenora Posey who was pretty damn good and CJ McClain, who is a work in progress. The rest were slappers long before college and were recruited as such.
 
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#79
#79
Lineup is in and like I said they changed some things around I like the new lineup

Leach-2b
Gregg- ss
Vines -Dp
Seggren- 3b
Geer- RF
Rowland- 1b
Lockman- C
McClain- CF
Holcomb- LF
Moss- P
 
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#80
DeerPark12 said:
You're completely wrong. Virtually every slapper that has played at Tennessee since the Weekeys arrived was already a slapper before she ever got here.

The only three that I can even think of that they turned into slappers were Sarah Fekete, who ended up an all-American, Kenora Posey who was pretty damn good and CJ McClain, who is a work in progress. The rest were slappers long before college and were recruited as such.
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Thanks DP for stating this. I do not have the resource to back up my statements other than what I remember from years of listening and watching LV softball. As I said most have changed during summer ball.
sccshortstop.
 
#81
#81
What's the point of switching Vines and Gregg in the lineup--doesn't seem to make much sense. I mean, Vines and Leach are very good at getting on base, and then your best hitter is typically in the 3 spot. Not sure what is gained by batting Gregg 2nd.

The Weeklys opted last night to go for the younger, less experience pitcher, given her success early this year, but it bit them (and us). Let's hope Moss can do better today. This team will rise and fall on pitching, of course--but also on whether Geer, Rowland, Lockman can get key hits. The problem with a slap-heavy lineup is that you have less power throughout the lineup--fewer extra-base hits and fewer homers, and this team has shown very little power this year. It's hard to have big innings when you've got a bunch of slappers because they're always simply beating the ball into the ground.
 
#82
#82
2-0 SC going in to bot1st. Ralph puts CJ in for her defense, because it could not be for offense and she promply makes a run scoring error. Starting piss poor again and facing their best pitcher.
 
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#88
I know this is a game thread, but reading some of the comments about the Weeklys and their lefties, and hearing some of the commentators' comments, I wonder... Can someone please explain to me why there are so many left-handed hitters in softball now? Seems more lefties than righties these days. Not all of them are slippers, and not all of them are truly left-handed. Think Gregg for example. Why would a hitting coach turn her around? Why not leave her on the right side?

When I played high school and college, this wasn't the norm. In fact, lefties (with the occasion of a slapper or two) were somewhat of a rarity, so much so that in our younger days of pitching practice, we'd have to have someone "stand in" as a lefties to get accustomed to throwing to one. Granted, fastpitch here doesn't have roots quite as deep as California, and I didn't play at a high collegiate level... Just seems like things have changed. Am I wrong?
 
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armchair said:
What's the point of switching Vines and Gregg in the lineup--doesn't seem to make much sense. I mean, Vines and Leach are very good at getting on base, and then your best hitter is typically in the 3 spot. Not sure what is gained by batting Gregg 2nd.

The Weeklys opted last night to go for the younger, less experience pitcher, given her success early this year, but it bit them (and us). Let's hope Moss can do better today. This team will rise and fall on pitching, of course--but also on whether Geer, Rowland, Lockman can get key hits. The problem with a slap-heavy lineup is that you have less power throughout the lineup--fewer extra-base hits and fewer homers, and this team has shown very little power this year. It's hard to have big innings when you've got a bunch of slappers because they're always simply beating the ball into the ground.
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I would say to change up the lineup some and to give our best player Gregg the chance to hit more often as well as a chance for her to drive in a run or two . We have not been sacrificing with Vines to get Leach over so I think it is a good move. I am also glad as I suggested moving Geer down more as well as Lockman. Our right hand hitters is killing us this year.
 
#91
#91
peachstatevolgirl said:
I know this is a game thread, but reading some of the comments about the Weeklys and their lefties, and hearing some of the commentators' comments, I wonder... Can someone please explain to me why there are so many left-handed hitters in softball now? Seems more lefties than righties these days. Not all of them are slippers, and not all of them are truly left-handed. Think Gregg for example. Why would a hitting coach turn her around? Why not leave her on the right side?

When I played high school and college, this wasn't the norm. In fact, lefties (with the occasion of a slapper or two) were somewhat of a rarity, so much so that in our younger days of pitching practice, we'd have to have someone "stand in" as a lefties to get accustomed to throwing to one. Granted, fastpitch here doesn't have roots quite as deep as California, and I didn't play at a high collegiate level... Just seems like things have changed. Am I wrong?
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I think the main reason is that most pitchers are right handed. Now teams are looking for lefty pitchers so you need a balance on every team suspect we'll see that sometime in the future. Second reason is slappers are quicker to first base because of being on that side.
 
#94
#94
Vols4life said:
Lineup is in and like I said they changed some things around I like the new lineup

Leach-2b
Gregg- ss
Vines -Dp
Seggren- 3b
Geer- RF
Rowland- 1b
Lockman- C
McClain- CF
Holcomb- LF
Moss- P
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I haven't talked to the coaches of course and don't claim to know what their reasoning is.

Both Ralph and Karen have said Seggern has the ability to be a powerful hitter along the likes of Tonya Callahan. Seggern clearly can drive the ball, she just needs experience. Moving her up in the order as she gains experience makes sense.

I like Holcomb at the bottom of the order. She was batting at the top of the order early in the season but she has great bat control and speed and can get on base without having to try to drive in runs.

Switching Vines and Gregg may be an attempt to interleave slappers with power hitters. You start off with a slapper, then a power hitter, slapper, etc..

Gregg is also not getting many good pitches. Putting her in the 2 spot with good hitters behind her may increase the number of good pitches she sees.

All my opinion.
 
#98
#98
Volfan2012 said:
I think the main reason is that most pitchers are right handed. Now teams are looking for lefty pitchers so you need a balance on every team suspect we'll see that sometime in the future. Second reason is slappers are quicker to first base because of being on that side.
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I don't listen to the game announcers but was they saying Gregg was turned originally right handed?
 
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