Heupel evaluated as the second best career offensive play-caller in the SEC

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peaygolf said:
How can one quantify "Good play calling?" Because it works or doesn't?

players have a huge part in that. I guess Bill Walsh would be a terrible play caller at Vandy
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Yeah… there are a number of plays that will work at any given time if they are executed. Contrary to what every color analyst tries to get you to believe, every play that works isn’t an act of pure schematic genius.
 
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jeff1vol said:
I haven't seen ONE thing that would tell me that Kiffin is a "better" play caller. They are both pretty damn good. That would be a hard call, IMO.
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He had Bama's O...

Then Briles actually called plays his great year at FAU

Not so good 2nd year without Briles

Then he walked *** backwards right into having Corral at Ole Miss...

He's a good playcaller, but my goodness has he been blessed.
 
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GAVol said:
Yeah… there are a number of plays that will work at any given time if they are executed. Contrary to what every color analyst tries to get you to believe, every play that works isn’t an act of pure schematic genius.
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While true, over thousands of plays, those things work themselves out. A bad playcaller isn't going to do more with less over the long run. While a great playcaller can, consistently, year after year.

Case in point- Heupel has only had 1 season under 30 ppg and it was 28.5 at his 1 year stint at Utah St. He's been to OU, UCF, Mizzou, UT...all above 30 ppg. That's a surefire sign of a great playcaller.
 
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peaygolf said:
How can one quantify "Good play calling?" Because it works or doesn't?

players have a huge part in that. I guess Bill Walsh would be a terrible play caller at Vandy
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Put such things into the analytics. Recruiting...SoS...WAR...etc. If the OC before and after Bill Walsh averaged 20 ppg and nothing else changed materially, and Bill Walsh averaged 30 ppg over 6 years and 3 different QBs...that would be a pretty strong indicator imo.

It isn't simply what works or doesn't. That would be a poor model. That said, I doubt they have a "process oriented" model either, so yes it is probably based on results. I don't think the understanding of football modeling has yet reached process-oriented analysis. Unlike the complex game of poker, where analysis is 99% based on decision-making and not the outcome. Maybe in the future...
 
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VolForLife83 said:
Yet, Kiffin is what, 1-3 against Heupel? And it took a horrible officiating crew and an injured QB to squeak that out.
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I hate Kiffin but he’s done it at a high level for longer. That said I think it’s damn close to even. Play calling I might even give Heupel an edge, situationally though Kiffin manages his offense and time better imho. Kiffin I will say is almost too aggressive at times as well. Again it’s a coin flip between the two IMO.
 
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peaygolf said:
How can one quantify "Good play calling?" Because it works or doesn't?

players have a huge part in that. I guess Bill Walsh would be a terrible play caller at Vandy
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Look at where our offense ranked in points per game this year compared to last and that was with a LOT of turnover on the offensive side of the ball.

That quantifies doing a lot more with less and exceeding expectations. Two totally different brands of football, but I think the difference in numbers are so significant that they can't just be chalked up to systems; not that it matters, but I always thought Jim Chaney was a great play caller, perhaps not elite.
 
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peaygolf said:
How can one quantify "Good play calling?" Because it works or doesn't?

players have a huge part in that. I guess Bill Walsh would be a terrible play caller at Vandy
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Bill Walsh, if he were alive and available, would not be at Vandy very long. Vandy would be outbidded for his services by at least 90% of the other power 5 conference football schools. You could make the argument that Vandy is a great school for players who want a degree. I am sure they will do well post football. But if you have plans on winning championships? You better be able to swing a bat. Still shocking they ever committed strongly to any sport in this century.
 
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Yeah #2 play caller but not a top 25 coach or even one of the near misses where they named the next 10 so not even top 35! Also not a top ten combo for basketball and football coach combined but Arkansas is. I guarantee if they put out a top 10 with football, baseball and basketball they would not give a spot to Tennessee. It’s okay Heupel plays the underdog card as well as anyone ever has and I’m darn proud and excited he’s our coach
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
A year ago Dan Mullen would have been #1, shows what these lists are worth.
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The guy that took a 4 win team and won 10, 10, won the East, then had one barely below .500 season?

He also averaged 35, 33, 40, and 31 ppg lmao. I'd say that's pretty good...

It's not on his offensive prowess that his defense stunk at times.
 
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Ref4Life said:
Yeah #2 play caller but not a top 25 coach or even one of the near misses where they named the next 10 so not even top 35! Also not a top ten combo for basketball and football coach combined but Arkansas is. I guarantee if they put out a top 10 with football, baseball and basketball they would not give a spot to Tennessee. It’s okay Heupel plays the underdog card as well as anyone ever has and I’m darn proud and excited he’s our coach
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Link? Can't find much of their stuff.
 
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Devo182 said:
The guy that took a 4 win team and won 10, 10, won the East, then had one barely below .500 season?

He also averaged 35, 33, 40, and 31 ppg lmao. I'd say that's pretty good...

It's not on his offensive prowess that his defense stunk at times.
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So now we're blowing Mullen? He's got 61% career winning percentage and hasn't ever won shid.
 
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