Heupel and Tennessee QB narrative

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B81 said:
Young has been a disappointment, Jones was terrible, hurts as you pointed out had to leave bama and finish at okla, and tuas head is a bean bag. All that being said, none of them played for the current staff.
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So it’s no big deal that a school have four consecutive starting QBs end up as starting QBs in the NFL…
 
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You have 32 NFL teams, most of which already have a starter. You have maybe 10 NFL starting QB jobes open each year. How many NCAA quarterbacks are eligible for the draft each year? 50? Most schools don't churn out NFL staring quarterbacks like they are other positions. It just is not a valid argument to make. Tennessee's offense requires quick reads, but only for half the field. Or at least that is how I understand it. The QB makes a quick forst read and then takes one half of the field and ignores the other, unless the play breaks down and he goes on the move. If a.QB can make the reads, hit their WR and make plays, they probably have a future in the NFL in some capacity. Having realistic expectations is key. Most college players think they can play on Sunday. Most actually don't. So we, as fans, have to not really give a rip about what the player does after they leave. Winning is the best recruiter. Winning teams also have NFL talent. They go hand in hand. Win more= get better recruits = win even more.
 
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If his offense is so simple, then we need to stick with it in today's environment of 1 and dones. It would be great to find great college level QBs without NFL asperations. They wouldn't be afraid to run the ball. They could stay for 4 years and make enough money to retire on...lol.. Johnny Manzell type improv QB's that are not physically able to make it in the NFL for example.
 
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Milton and Hooker were not headed to the NFL without Heupel. Once there, they have a shot. The goal is to make it to the NFL and then take your best shot, very few sure things at QB unless your last name was Manning. I think Hooker had 2 things wrong. Injury and then ending up in Detroit. They line up under center more than any other team. Just wasn't a fit. Milton still has a shot, if he can fix the mental part of the game.
 
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jeff1vol said:
It's all fine and dandy that this writer has an opinion. HOWEVER... I didn't read ONE THING in his article that specifically points out exactly how UT's QB's are put into a "developmental hole" by our coaches/system, etc. Be specific and gain a little credibility. Otherwise... it's simply speculation.
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zach ragan is a clickbait shill
 
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Also, I’d wager these same QB gurus labeled Nico the best QB recruit in the nation…so now that he’s free of Heupel he should perform on the level of all-American yea? This is a ridiculous conversation.

-Lane Kiffin coached Crompton to a 26 TD season and he got drafted…and didn’t stick…

-Dooley was here with Bray…he spent about 5 years in the league…

-Butch Jones coached Dobbs…still in the league…

By the bs transitive nonsense being applied Butch is just as good at qbs as kiffin…and so on and blah blah blah…
 
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LordVOLdemort said:
Doesn’t it seem like Joel Klatt has some jarring take every season? That’s what these guys do. They drop some hot takes and see if one catches fire to draw attention to themselves.

An undrafted, mini-camp-only QB’s opinion of this offense and our HC doesn’t matter. If it’s such a terrible offense, why are teams struggling to stop it? Why are players from it getting drafted and receiving accolades?

I’ll take Heupel’s judgement to run this offense over Klatt’s outside opinion of it. One’s a National Champion, former All-American, QB of the Year, SEC Coach of the Year, and the other’s Joel Klatt… enough said.
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Klatt is a notorious sec hater. He's such a clown
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
It is a really tough job to win because there are only 32 open positions in the entire world. UT has produced some good to great college QBs by program standards but most have only been back up material in the NFL.
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You are 100% correct. There are dozens of schools (with QBs) competing for 32 positions. There are many, many good to great QBs every year and no spot for them as a starter. The guys that have those jobs are going to fight hard to keep them. I never saw Hooker as an NFL QB. I thought Dobbs had potential as a backup. Anybody remember a no-name QB from no-name Southern Mississippi? Bret Favre probably wasn't predicted to be an NFL QB.

As long as Heupel produces serviceable QBs and winning seasons, I will be happy. If any of them manage to go on to a NFL starting position, that will be even better.
 
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sjt18 said:
I love Hooker. Really do. But does anyone honestly believe he even gets an NFL try out as a UFA if he hadn't put up big numbers in Heupel's O? He wasn't headed toward the NFL at VT. He was headed back to Greensboro.

Heupel runs a system. That system fits some guys. It doesn't fit other guys. A guy with talent who performs at UT in Heupel's O is NOT going to be hurt on draft day. There are a LOT of guys with success in the NFL today who weren't prepared by their college program to run an NFL O.
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Exactly. Both things can be true. Heup and this system likely don't prepare a guy to play in the NFL. Neither Hooker or Milton were on a path to be drafted without Heupel and the system.
 
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Sarms58 said:
So it’s no big deal that a school have four consecutive starting QBs end up as starting QBs in the NFL…
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all of those played for Saban, not Debord. So for this topic no, it is not a big deal. It actually shine the light on the fact that with the exception of Hurts, they were all overrated, and were only good college players not cut out for the NFL, which is the same point people are trying to make about our qb’s and CJH.
 
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Starting QB in the NFL has as much to do with circumstance as it does performance in college.

Case in point - Spencer Rattler.
Dude will start for the Saints as much because the Saints have been bad at drafting / developing a QB in the last few years as his talent and performance coming out of college...MOST other teams he's QB2 at best, some he's QB3 or practice squad fodder.

Another case in circumstance - Manning and Brady
Manning started early because the Colts were just terrible and drafted high and THE need was QB.
Brady was in the league a couple years before he got the starting job because he was on a squad that was half-decent.
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
It’s pretty funny the season is starting so the narrative is spinning this direction. Probably from the Nico family and UCLA

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Why UCLA's Nico Iamaleava Couldn't Succeed Under Josh Heupel

Nico Iamaleava's departure from Tennessee may have been more about offensive scheme than an NIL dispute.
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YEP - trying to get him back into a favorable light...they (his family) see the writing on the wall that he's not high-caliber NFL material and are trying to improve public image to get into the league.
 
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Tennessee doesn't have a lot of recent success, but Heupel does.
The majority of Heupel qb's were drafted.
There were a few who signed as UFA, a few who were injured and went into coaching, but the objective fact is that he put QB's in the nfl.
He had a few multi-year starters, but people get old fast, so no current starters. But I did find three listed as #2 (if we can include Dillon Gabriel who had two years with Heupel at UCF)
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
It’s pretty funny the season is starting so the narrative is spinning this direction. Probably from the Nico family and UCLA

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www.si.com

Why UCLA's Nico Iamaleava Couldn't Succeed Under Josh Heupel

Nico Iamaleava's departure from Tennessee may have been more about offensive scheme than an NIL dispute.
www.si.com www.si.com
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So let me get this straight: our offense is a "glorified high school scheme" but Nico couldn't grasp it?

I know this is just clickbait garbage, but a lot of coaches use this crap to recruit against us. Watch any TheFilmGuy breakdowns on Nico from last year, and even his stuff on Aguilar this year, and you will see how wrong that narrative is. Plain and simple: Nico missed layups, held the ball too long, and ultimately we left a lot of points on the field because he lacked the ability to hit open shots consistently.

Our offense is heavily run based, with space and pace play to open up a lot of the interior and isolate defenders for 1:1 blocking schemes. The secret sauce is that should eventually open up a deep ball, which it did last year. The problem is Nico's accuracy beyond 15 yards was abysmal.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
So let me get this straight: our offense is a "glorified high school scheme" but Nico couldn't grasp it?

I know this is just clickbait garbage, but a lot of coaches use this crap to recruit against us. Watch any TheFilmGuy breakdowns on Nico from last year, and even his stuff on Aguilar this year, and you will see how wrong that narrative is. Plain and simple: Nico missed layups, held the ball too long, and ultimately we left a lot of points on the field because he lacked the ability to hit open shots consistently.

Our offense is heavily run based, with space and pace play to open up a lot of the interior and isolate defenders for 1:1 blocking schemes. The secret sauce is that should eventually open up a deep ball, which it did last year. The problem is Nico's accuracy beyond 15 yards was abysmal.
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Bingo.. also they making it out like Nico is taking up some great offense at UCLA under Sunseri and is going to be so much better.. the way they are spinning this narrative is gonna prove Tennessee correct again.. Klatt is a f’in moron along with Thamel and Danny Kannell
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
So let me get this straight: our offense is a "glorified high school scheme" but Nico couldn't grasp it?

I know this is just clickbait garbage, but a lot of coaches use this crap to recruit against us. Watch any TheFilmGuy breakdowns on Nico from last year, and even his stuff on Aguilar this year, and you will see how wrong that narrative is. Plain and simple: Nico missed layups, held the ball too long, and ultimately we left a lot of points on the field because he lacked the ability to hit open shots consistently.

Our offense is heavily run based, with space and pace play to open up a lot of the interior and isolate defenders for 1:1 blocking schemes. The secret sauce is that should eventually open up a deep ball, which it did last year. The problem is Nico's accuracy beyond 15 yards was abysmal.
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Now that there’s no scholarship restrictions, I really expect our offense to take steps in the coming years. If we can turn Cedric Tillman, Velus Jones and Jalin Hyatt into day 2 draft picks, we need to be able to do the same with the Mike Matthews, Amari Jefferson of the 🌍

When Baylor was scoring points ad nauseum, you never heard anything about their offense not preparing QB’s for the next level and they had multiple first rounders in RG3 and Kendall Wright.

We run the same stuff in the veer and shoot but Heupel has added more middle of the field reads. While this has been a 2-read offense, if options 3-4-5 are open in a progression it would be nice to see those guys get the 🏈
 
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