Here's where the bar has been set in defensive recruiting

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BigOrangeFanatic said:
I would rather have lights out coaching first. The recruiting will follow and take care of itself.
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I feel like we are going to see a totally different energy and brand of football on the field next season. Jones and his staff are just into it. We're gonna upset somebody... finally!
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
yea but that wasnt really a big game for our players after games like A&m/LSU/USCe/FSU

get stuck with UL after a 11-1 season was prolly a bummer to the players and didnt really show up like bama/utah a few yrs back they prolly felt like oregon or ksu shoulda been their opponent and overlooked that teddy is a beast at QB and could be the top pick next yr in the draft and they got some really good wr's that boy eli rogers :salute:
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yep, y'all are the damn FLORIDA GATORS and the Sugar Bowl ain't nothin ta y'all. Amirite?
 
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#1Volfaninmo said:
I don't agree with this at all. I think 3-4 years is realistic with good recruiting and coaching. Time will tell. I know 2 years ago, Texas A&M was no better than UT was the last 2 years. They could get a big lead, but the defense couldn't hold it. They turned around in 1 year, primarily with a coaching change and a game changer at QB. Many have pointed out that last year UT would have been 8-4 or 9-3 this year if our defense had been only mediocre. If it had been 60th instead of 103rd or 104th in the country, would have been enough to beat Missouri, Vandy and Mississippi State. Maybe UGA and South Carolina. So even though they were terrible last year, it wasn't all a lack of talent. I am interested to see what Butch Jones and company can do with what we have.
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You guys may be right but our competition has four and five stars three deep. The Texas AnM comparison is not valid because Sumlin inherited a much more talented team and he is in Texas where he has more instate talent within a two hour drive than we have in our entire state. I'm not saying we can't win 8-9 games in a couple of years but to compete for championships it's a whole different animal.

I read where when a team hits it's low point and starts back up it takes as long as the teams been down to recover. We've been down for about five years so that means we're looking at five years. I hope I'm wrong but stepping back and trying to be objective I thing it's at least five years.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
yep, y'all are the damn FLORIDA GATORS and the Sugar Bowl ain't nothin ta y'all. Amirite?
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FirstAndGoal said:
LMAO! Get STUCK with Louisville and that is an excuse to not win? Shoot.
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:eek:lol: take it how you want im just sayin muschamp DAMN SURE proved he can win big games with teams i mentioned LSU/A&M/SC/FSU

whats so hard to understand about that?

you think UL beats most the time we play? hell you think they even beat 3 times out of 10? say yes show your and you will show your dumbassness

they caught us cocky and off guard actin a ass and bridewater is GREAT QB with very good WR's they came to play and we didnt
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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I understand 3-5 years... but there's no reason for 10. Year one would really have nothing to do with year 10.

Jones needs to win to gain credibility. He needs to knock off someone UT isn't expected to beat this fall.

When/if UT finds the right coach whether that is Jones or someone after him, the turnaround will occur in 3 years or less.
 
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sjt18 said:
I understand 3-5 years... but there's no reason for 10. Year one would really have nothing to do with year 10.

Jones needs to win to gain credibility. He needs to knock off someone UT isn't expected to beat this fall.

When/if UT finds the right coach whether that is Jones or someone after him, the turnaround will occur in 3 years or less.
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I agree 10 is unlikely just like year one or two is unlikely but I can definitely 5-7 years.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You guys may be right but our competition has four and five stars three deep.
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That's why I am hoping that the apparent strength of instate recruiting this year and next are not anomalies but an indication of improvement. Jones has focused on getting the best instate recruits. Hopefully he can... and its worth it.

The Texas AnM comparison is not valid because Sumlin inherited a much more talented team
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No. He really didn't. He inherited a special QB but that roster otherwise is not better than what Jones inherits. This will come down to coaching. The problem you started with isn't going to change. UF will get talent for the foreseeable future just because there's so much in FL. Bama gets talent as long as Saban is there. LSU is going to be talented. UGA has a strong home base.

Jones first task and that of any potential replacement is to outcoach other SEC coaches.
and he is in Texas where he has more instate talent within a two hour drive than we have in our entire state.
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There are more cookies in that jar... and ALOT more hands trying to get in. TAM is STILL the 3rd choice in Texas behind Texas and OU.

I'm not saying we can't win 8-9 games in a couple of years but to compete for championships it's a whole different animal.
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If Jones can coach then it is completely possible to be competing for the SEC in 3 years.

I read where when a team hits it's low point and starts back up it takes as long as the teams been down to recover. We've been down for about five years so that means we're looking at five years. I hope I'm wrong but stepping back and trying to be objective I thing it's at least five years.
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Not sure where you read that but Saban turned Bama and LSU in 2 years. Sumlin turned TAM on a dime. Carroll won with Sophs in his first year at USCw. Kelly just had a pretty impressive season after ND had been down awhile.

There is NO reason it has to take more than a 4 year recruiting cycle. It might... but it doesn't have to. It doesn't have to take but 3 years.

Dooley started with pretty much nothing. With a D no worse than what Wilcox had in '11 (with most of the same players minus some good ones) then UT would have contended this past fall. The O avg'd 36 ppg. If the D had allowed the 22 ppg of '11 then they are in the mix for the East.

Again... Dooley started with MUCH less than Jones is starting with... He couldn't coach. He made stupid decisions with Sunseri and the 3-4... but he had built a roster that should have competed for the East.
 
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Oh... forgot Petrino. He inherited less talent than UT has at Arkansas and really didn't improve it that much according to the recruiting svcs but was still able to put the Hogs in contention.
 
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UF's avg margin of victory in '12 was 6 pts.

USCe was 14 pts

UGA was 17 pts.

UT's with a 22 ppg performance from the D would have been at 14 ppg.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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I believe this fan knows what they are talking about. I mean we have 9 sec teams ahead of us in recruiting, counting vandy. Ha ! I never would've believed that until last year. This sucks but it is probably true. I'm hoping for a turn around in three years but who knows with the money situation the university is dealing with. Still I will be watching and cheering or cussing. Hopefully I won't turn into a full blown alcoholic before we start at least competing for the east crown and playing in bowl games in January....GO VOLS!!!!:rock:
 
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sjt18 said:
Oh... forgot Petrino. He inherited less talent than UT has at Arkansas and really didn't improve it that much according to the recruiting svcs but was still able to put the Hogs in contention.
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The only thing I'll say to that is while all the teams mentioned did get better they still didn't play for the championship with the exception of Bama. That is my definition of competing for championships, playing in the championship game (SEC). As to recruiting Texas A&M has it much easier than we do. They are quickly surpassing Texas as the in-state school.

Saban did turn around Bama quickly but Saban is Saban. That's what younget when you spend the big bucks and get a superstar coach. With a coach on the level of CBJ takes, the rebuild will take longer.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on what Sumlin inherited vs CBJ. It is my opinion they were much better than UT especially on the defensive side of the ball.


Here's hoping that you're right and I'm wrong.
 
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governmentmule said:
i got a friend in Greece and the docs told his dad he was going to die soon,he said they got him some goats to milk and he drank a bottle of red wine everyday and he made it another 15 years,I'm considering getting some goats , it couldn't hurt :)
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Its the red wine AND goat combo that does the trick :)
 
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sjt18 said:
Oh... forgot Petrino. He inherited less talent than UT has at Arkansas and really didn't improve it that much according to the recruiting svcs but was still able to put the Hogs in contention.
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Not excited about facing him the second game of 2013.
 
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UT started to slide when Fulmer let Gardner go to GA. Most thought if Gardner had been oftered a fair wage increase he would have staded, he liked it here but it was said that his had family in Atlanta. I guess Fulmer thought himself our ACE recruiter. Anyway after Gardner arrived in GA they were then able to pullin 4 and 5 star players in every position. Gardner left GA and they lost several players this year that were thought to solid. Gardner is now at Dead Tree U and they did very well this past signing day with a new staff. We must have at least two or three ace recuiters to compete in the SEC.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's why I am hoping that the apparent strength of instate recruiting this year and next are not anomalies but an indication of improvement. Jones has focused on getting the best instate recruits. Hopefully he can... and its worth it.

No. He really didn't. He inherited a special QB but that roster otherwise is not better than what Jones inherits. This will come down to coaching. The problem you started with isn't going to change. UF will get talent for the foreseeable future just because there's so much in FL. Bama gets talent as long as Saban is there. LSU is going to be talented. UGA has a strong home base.

Jones first task and that of any potential replacement is to outcoach other SEC coaches. There are more cookies in that jar... and ALOT more hands trying to get in. TAM is STILL the 3rd choice in Texas behind Texas and OU.

If Jones can coach then it is completely possible to be competing for the SEC in 3 years.

Not sure where you read that but Saban turned Bama and LSU in 2 years. Sumlin turned TAM on a dime. Carroll won with Sophs in his first year at USCw. Kelly just had a pretty impressive season after ND had been down awhile.

There is NO reason it has to take more than a 4 year recruiting cycle. It might... but it doesn't have to. It doesn't have to take but 3 years.

Dooley started with pretty much nothing. With a D no worse than what Wilcox had in '11 (with most of the same players minus some good ones) then UT would have contended this past fall. The O avg'd 36 ppg. If the D had allowed the 22 ppg of '11 then they are in the mix for the East.

Again... Dooley started with MUCH less than Jones is starting with... He couldn't coach. He made stupid decisions with Sunseri and the 3-4... but he had built a roster that should have competed for the East.
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I dont think AtM is behind OU when Texas recruits are choosing schools anymore.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The only thing I'll say to that is while all the teams mentioned did get better they still didn't play for the championship with the exception of Bama. That is my definition of competing for championships, playing in the championship game (SEC).
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Agree but you have to become credible first to get that caliber of player. "Credible" would feel pretty good right now.

As to recruiting Texas A&M has it much easier than we do. They are quickly surpassing Texas as the in-state school.
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True/untrue. There's just a ton of talent and a large population in Texas. That said, Texas still picks and chooses who they want. The only signed like 15 and only had one guy commit after June.

Saban did turn around Bama quickly but Saban is Saban. That's what younget when you spend the big bucks and get a superstar coach. With a coach on the level of CBJ takes, the rebuild will take longer.
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Saban is Saban and there's really only one.

Spurrier would be considered that caliber of coach and took awhile to make USCe competitive. Mike Sherman was a successful NFL coach and flopped at TAM. There are as many if not more big $$$ coaching busts as successes. Most successful coaches come out of lower ranks or from coordinator positions.
 
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TN Reb said:
I hope you are wrong about the 5 years. Can't wait that long, would be 78 then if still around!

:unsure:
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Nah. Every year is different. We will know how close we are about the 3rd or 4th game of next season. Good coaching can put us in the hunt. Good recruiting can put us over the top.

I expect the 2014 class to be stellar. If it is not at least top 12, then it may take a little longer than I expect, but 5-10 years is certainly not necessary.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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Got to disagree with this sentiment. Dooley provided us with depth, now it's up to CBJ to bring the quality. If he can coach up who we have and recruit quality freshman and using the Juco ranks to plug in holes at DT and LBer, he should be able to compete and win consistently starting in year 2 or 3.

It's time to stop lowering the bar. He came to UT for the challenge of getting our team back to where it belongs in the SEC hierarchy. Majors got us winning with 3 star talent before landing the bigger fish. If CBJ is what we think he is, he can do the same. Besides, looking at the schedule this year, 5 of the 12 teams will be favored over us with UGA and South Carolina at home. 7-8 wins is possible and should be expected.
 
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