Here's where the bar has been set in defensive recruiting

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Seeing florida haul in like 3-4 blue chip players in each position really depresses me. Look at their DT haul and their LB haul and compare it to ours, in numbers and in quality.
 
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People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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Lights out recruiting could turn it around quickly. I don't expect that though.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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Too many people on this site have very little patience. They don't seem to realize it takes time to build a career, a good marriage, or a good football program, especially from where the Vols are now.
 
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HvilleCommando said:
Seeing florida haul in like 3-4 blue chip players in each position really depresses me. Look at their DT haul and their LB haul and compare it to ours, in numbers and in quality.
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Muschamp's "its the players, not the coaching" philosophy will be exposed soon.
 
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Recruiting can turn it around quicker. If somehow, we were to get a bunch of talent on the lines and def, 2-3 RB's it won't take that long at all. Not even close.

But realistically......
 
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Well we can thank Dools and Co for our current situation. Why would any kid with serious talent and ambition to go pro come play for him? He never really improved anyone and he forced players to run his system regardless of whether or not it fit their skill set. Then you have his ego and the way he basically acted like his poop didn't stink. Add in the whole throwing players under the bus and refusing to take responsibility unless it was something good and then he acted like that was all him and the players had nothing to do with it. Finally the joke of a class that he left and his previous classes that were filled with highly rated players that were talented but too slow, with a few exceptions, and you start to see why it was a miracle that CBJ were able to land a top 25 class.

Many are upset that CBJ couldn't land the #1 class in the nation but he got what he could and its a good start. Yes its a bunch of 3*, but they are fast enough to keep up in the SEC. He can teach them technique, but he can't teach speed and in the SEC speed is everything. Once he gets out on the field and shows how well he can coach up a bunch of 3* then top recruits will see that and realize this is a coach that can make them even better, unlike the previous coach.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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I hope you are wrong about the 5 years. Can't wait that long, would be 78 then if still around!

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TN Reb said:
I hope you are wrong about the 5 years. Can't wait that long, would be 78 then if still around!

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Think about this realistically. If he signs a lights out class next year. Those players will have to be juniors before we can expect to see them contributing at a championship level. Keep in mind our SEC competitors are not signing a class this year. They've been doing this for years. Even if we sign great classes we'll be competing against 5 star upper classmen.
 
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once CBJ gets his first signature win, the recruits will roll in.btw- In-state talent this yr is the best in tn history
 
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Tennessee fans need to be patient. We are behind in the SEC talent wise. This staff will turn it around with 3 more recruiting classes. 2017 is when we are ready to get back to championship contention. Building a college football program takes time no matter how quick you want to turn it around. If Coach Jones and staff can turn this program around and be able to contend for the SEC championship by 2016, they will have done an unbelievable job. Go Big Orange! I'm all in!!!
 
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YorkVol said:
Muschamp's "its the players, not the coaching" philosophy will be exposed soon.
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I just told my gator buddies this and they agreed great recruiter , but does not prepare well or get guys ready for big games .che won't last
 
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TN Reb said:
I hope you are wrong about the 5 years. Can't wait that long, would be 78 then if still around!

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i got a friend in Greece and the docs told his dad he was going to die soon,he said they got him some goats to milk and he drank a bottle of red wine everyday and he made it another 15 years,I'm considering getting some goats , it couldn't hurt :)
 
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redfishvol said:
I just told my gator buddies this and they agreed great recruiter , but does not prepare well or get guys ready for big games .che won't last
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:lolabove: not sure if your serious but he did pretty well in big games last yr
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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Bull. Last year we had one of the best O-lines in the country, one of the most talented Qbs, and NFL talent at skilled positions on offense. Last season we were probably 2 Dbs, 1 LB, 2 DTs, and a decent defensive coordinator away from competing in the SEC championship. Losing a largely incompetent coaching staff doesn't suddenly ruin this program.

I don't think we will be picking up titles next year, or the year after that, but if the current staff can recruit and coach, we can be competitive by year three. At least IMO. They need to pick up some serious defense and O-line talent next class, and if they do we are in a great position to at least put up a fight for the conference.
 
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Theshag said:
Bull. Last year we had one of the best O-lines in the country, one of the most talented Qbs, and NFL talent at skilled positions on offense. Last season we were probably 2 Dbs, 1 LB, 2 DTs, and a decent defensive coordinator away from competing in the SEC championship. Losing a largely incompetent coaching staff doesn't suddenly ruin this program.

I don't think we will be picking up titles next year, or the year after that, but if the current staff can recruit and coach, we can be competitive by year three. At least IMO. They need to pick up some serious defense and O-line talent next class, and if they do we are in a great position to at least put up a fight for the conference.
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You may be right, I certainly hope so. About the whole line we lose next year. We didn't sign an SEC caliber, every down back this year. It's possible he goes the JUCO route next year but I just don't see championship level improvement possible in four seasons. If we were in any other conference I could see it. I don't see us on Bama, Fl, LSU, GA, or even SC level in four years.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You may be right, I certainly hope so. About the whole line we lose next year. We didn't sign an SEC caliber, every down back this year. It's possible he goes the JUCO route next year but I just don't see championship level improvement possible in four seasons. If we were in any other conference I could see it. I don't see us on Bama, Fl, LSU, GA, or even SC level in four years.
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You can find a Good RB in juco imo.
still hoping we can get dyer somehow
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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With all due respect, 5-10 years?!?!? Are you kidding? 2-3 top classes with the right top notch coaching staff and we could be back in the hunt 3 years from now. Overly optimistic would be next year. A good coach with just an average defense last year wins 8-9 games easily. I think CBJ gets us contending sooner rather than later.
 
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We just need to make some noise this year, like Ole Miss, like Vandy (ugh) did last year. In the last 4 out of 5 years we've had a losing record. We've lost to everybody in our division over that time and everybody on this board knows that should not have happened with the talent we had the last two years...Of all the teams that finished in the top 25 recruiting ranks, only Washington had a worse record over the past 5 years.

We have one heck of an offensive line and some RB experience, barring injuries on the DL and LB, we can compete with the middle of the pack this year and make some noise...win the ones we should and scare some others, pull 1 upset...I'm more worried about 2014.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People need to sit back relax and dig in for the long haul. It's going to be 5 years at best before we are legitimately contending for a conference championship. More likely close to 10 years. Our SEC brethren are way out in front. Not trying to be pessimistic just realistic. People are setting themselves up for huge disappointment if they expect a quick turn around.
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I don't agree with this at all. I think 3-4 years is realistic with good recruiting and coaching. Time will tell. I know 2 years ago, Texas A&M was no better than UT was the last 2 years. They could get a big lead, but the defense couldn't hold it. They turned around in 1 year, primarily with a coaching change and a game changer at QB. Many have pointed out that last year UT would have been 8-4 or 9-3 this year if our defense had been only mediocre. If it had been 60th instead of 103rd or 104th in the country, would have been enough to beat Missouri, Vandy and Mississippi State. Maybe UGA and South Carolina. So even though they were terrible last year, it wasn't all a lack of talent. I am interested to see what Butch Jones and company can do with what we have.
 
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KBVol said:
Louisville .... Louisville I tell ya .... handed him his arse in their bowl game. Just sayin
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yea but that wasnt really a big game for our players after games like A&m/LSU/USCe/FSU

get stuck with UL after a 11-1 season was prolly a bummer to the players and didnt really show up like bama/utah a few yrs back they prolly felt like oregon or ksu shoulda been their opponent and overlooked that teddy is a beast at QB and could be the top pick next yr in the draft and they got some really good wr's that boy eli rogers :salute:
 
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