Here's a challenge for you guys...can ANYONE

#27
#27
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Completely disagree. Motivation and chemistry are two of the few things that the coaches actually can manipulate one way or the other. Right now, the teams that are winning in the SEC are doing it by more or less rolling out the ball to elite athletes who play simplified, old fashioned football. The Vols need better players and it's going to take a different group of coaches to get those players in the door.
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Y'all are going to have to decide whether it was Dooley's fault because we have better players than UF and he was outcoached or it was Dooley's fault because he hasn't recruited good enough players. Can't be both.
 
#28
#28
We have a couple of studs and a lot of middle of the pack caliber players. It was glaring tonight cause you could just feel the whole game from opening snap, that we were 1 busted coverage from losing our grasp on this game. We are still outclassed by UF . DD really has a much tougher job than most any other major university in the country.
 
#29
#29
I'm no Dooley fan, but Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech would be one on that list who took a bit longer to get the ball rolling with the Hokies.

And it took Majors considerable time to get Tennessee back to SEC contention, even longer to get us consistently back among the contenders.

An argument can be made for patience, although that argument is usually coupled with some tangible evidence things are improving.

We'll know that by the end of the year. This game doesn't inspire confidence. But I was a kid when Georgia and Southern Cal rolled Tennessee on consecutive Saturdays. We finished that year 8-4. Considering where we had been in the past, that was enough evidence things were getting better.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm no Dooley fan, but Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech would be one on that list who took a bit longer to get the ball rolling with the Hokies.

And it took Majors considerable time to get Tennessee back to SEC contention, even longer to get us consistently back among the contenders.

An argument can be made for patience, although that argument is usually coupled with some tangible evidence things are improving.

We'll know that by the end of the year. This game doesn't inspire confidence. But I was a kid when Georgia and Southern Cal rolled Tennessee on consecutive Saturdays. We finished that year 8-4. Considering where we had been in the past, that was enough evidence things were getting better.
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I mean, I kind of get your point with Majors but the man won a national title before coming home. He had marquee wins while here. Johnny Majors had already proven he was a heck of football coach.
 
#32
#32
We are getting better. We gave the gators all they could handle until fatigue set in. We still just don't have the depth to take it to those 5 star type teams for 4 qtrs. We might get over the hump by hiring a better coach, but stability and persistence wins in the end imo.
 
#33
#33
Wezcoast said:
We are getting better. We gave the gators all they could handle until fatigue set in. We still just don't have the depth to take it to those 5 star type teams for 4 qtrs. We might get over the hump by hiring a better coach, but stability and persistence wins in the end imo.
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UT lost by fewer points in 2010 with Matt Simms playing QB. How are we getting better?
 
#34
#34
lylsmorr said:
UT lost by fewer points in 2010 with Matt Simms playing QB. How are we getting better?
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Maybe I should say I feel like our skill level is better overall. Bray didn't handle the pressure very well tonight. Obviously neither did Hunter.
 
#35
#35
Johnny Majors got it done in year 3. Year 3 is where you make huge strides. Last night with Florida looked like another mental collapse like Kentucky loss last year. That's not getting it done in year three.
 
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Johnny Majors tore up Notre Dame (ranked in the top 5) in his 3rd year. Notre Dame had won a national championship two years before in '77. Johnny also went undefeated at Pitt in '76 to win a national title which indicated he could win big and get it done here. Dooley has not had a signature win yet over a ranked opponent.(Cinn. or NC State doesnt count) He also doesnt have a track record we can look back at. Plus Dooley is not a Tenn. guy like Majors or Fulmer which gets you some extra time.
 
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#37
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Completely disagree. Motivation and chemistry are two of the few things that the coaches actually can manipulate one way or the other. Right now, the teams that are winning in the SEC are doing it by more or less rolling out the ball to elite athletes who play simplified, old fashioned football. The Vols need better players and it's going to take a different group of coaches to get those players in the door.
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I agree ...I dont think our players are bad at all . We have the size , the skill positions, the QB. I think we need to get on board with the simplified , old fashioned football ...specifically offense. I dont think CJCs style of offense will win anything except a bozo button in the SEC . Thats what the winning teams do , thats what the NFL does ...why do we have some verticle wing and a prayer offense ?
 
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#38
PowerSweep said:
name a coach at a historically great school like UT who was ultimately was considered successful and that did not have it rolling by year 3?

Saban at LSU
Saban at Bama
Carroll at USC
Stoops at Oklahoma
Holtz at Notre Dame
Brown at Texas

this is a joke to say, "we need more time"...
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Johnny Majors
1977 4-7
1978 5-5-1
1979 7-5
1980 5-6
1981 8-4
 
#40
#40
Wezcoast said:
We are improving. Fire Dooley now and you can put your money on UT not recovering for a VERY long time. The team gave up on the coaches when the pressure got really turned up. Not the other way around.
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Improving and headed for greatness are 2 different things. Improving is not good enough. If you hire the right coach it takes 2 years.
 
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GmanTN said:
Johnny Majors
1977 4-7
1978 5-5-1
1979 7-5
1980 5-6
1981 8-4
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Yup...good answer. Certtainly the exception though, and he'd probably not have made it to '85 in today's environment. Either way though Dooley not exactly holding the heroic alumnus or "already won a nat'l championship" cards...
 
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#42
YES I can name one who had his number retired yesterday, Johnny Majors, and had the internet sites been available many of you all would have called for his head, Tennessee legend or not...1 game does not make a season, a campaign of taking a cupboard bare emotionally rocked program to success does not come overnight, and a true VFL does not base fanship over a few bad years. I too was disappointed but like it or not fla was the better team, play them again 10 times we win maybe twice, three times, I saw a few bright plays, too many dropped balls, a frustrated QB, and a worn our "new designed defense" in the 4th quarter.

But the one thing I did see that made me the angriest was the number of "fans?" walking out of Neyland...that resonates with the team and those in the stands considering becoming VOLS...as believe me ( I work and have worked with adolescents for almost 40 years) they all crave recognition and respect...too many of the fans failed to deliver.

GO VOLS
 
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#43
PowerSweep said:
name a coach at a historically great school like UT who was ultimately was considered successful and that did not have it rolling by year 3?

Saban at LSU
Saban at Bama
Carroll at USC
Stoops at Oklahoma
Holtz at Notre Dame
Brown at Texas

this is a joke to say, "we need more time"...
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Johnny Majors
 
#45
#45
name a coach at a historically great school like UT who was ultimately was considered successful
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When did UT hire a coach that was considered successful?

For the rest of the question:
Rich Rod at Michigan
 
#47
#47
Rich Rodriguez? Yup...he was a real success at Michigan

And to the guy who said you're not VFL if you are frustrated w Dooley and where we are...get over yourself on telling people what makes their fandom acceptable..

also, per my original post, yes, the norm actually IS to have quick success under these same conditions whether lou holtz following the faust disaster or carroll at usc following 25 yrs of underachievement...

also, these are grown men...we call them adults...adolescents play junior high and high school
 
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#49
How many of those coaches inherited such a complete mess with a bare talent cupboard like we had after the Fulmer/Kkiffen debacle? We are lucky to be where we are.
 
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#50
Bo pelini at Nebraska hasnt fully gotten it together yet and this is year 4 for him...mark richt hasnt done anything championship worthy since he was hired at uga...texas should be top 5 but hasnt been in 3 years...everyone has ups and downs. We were spoiled from 1992-93 until 2007..thats a long time to be on top. It'll come back around.
 
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