Here is the rule as it is written

#51
#51
poncharello said:
I really don't give a rip what he is saying. I said they deserved to win, to which he replied "if you say so", which would lead one to believe that he did not think they were deserving. I simply asked him a question. Are you two dating.
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are you a 6 year old?
 
#52
#52
poncharello said:
I really don't give a rip what he is saying. I said they deserved to win, to which he replied "if you say so", which would lead one to believe that he did not think they were deserving. I simply asked him a question. Are you two dating.
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Agree with you.....this is the time we get to vent. Some points are valid and some stuff should not be taken too seriously....but we need to speak out, we cannot take this crap to sleep. Common sense may prevail tomorrow (maybe Monday).

Hell, like ole Jerry Clower would say...Shoot up here amongst us.... one of us gots to have some relief.
 
#53
#53
Bottom line is if we had LSU's athletes we would have won. People talking about being outcoached are out of their friggin minds. We're not in the game if we switch coaches.
 
#54
#54
fcsecfootball said:
Ok - let's go to the replay. Tennessee has 13 on the field - half the distance to the goal. LSU player throws helmet - dead ball unsportsmanlike. Oh wait, entire Tennessee sideline runs on field - which would also be unsportsmanlike. You can't just twist it to our advantage. You could have found multiple fouls against both teams during that dead ball period if you wanted to. I seriously hope after the dust settles this nonsense stops being discussed.
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This.
 
#56
#56
vol4eva said:
When you completely whiff on a couple of LSU players tossing their helmets in disgust it's hard not blame the officials. This is not an excuse, it's a fact.
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Yep you're right it's a fact and so are the other reasons that I mentioned why we lost. We beat ourselves.
 
#57
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volnSC said:
Live-Ball—Dead-Ball Fouls
ARTICLE 6. When a live-ball foul by one team is followed by one or more
dead-ball fouls (including live-ball fouls treated as dead-ball fouls) by an
opponent or by the same team, the penalties are administered separately and
in the order of occurrence (A.R. 10-1-6-I-V).

What it means is the "too many men on the field" call should have been enforced then the 15 yd personal foul for the "removal of the helmet" should have been enforced from that spot. We got screwed on that deal, period!
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the right tackle moved before the snap before any of the other penalties.
 
#59
#59
allvol said:
the right tackle moved before the snap before any of the other penalties.
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Actually, on the final play, several LSU players (left end and left slot) illegally shifted by not being set for one second prior to the snap (watch the replay).

This crew will likely be rewarded with the SEC championship game. :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
 
#61
#61
SmartVolFan said:
Actually, on the final play, several LSU players (left end and left slot) illegally shifted by not being set for one second prior to the snap (watch the replay).

This crew will likely be rewarded with the SEC championship game. :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
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but didn't 13 men on the field cause them to shift
 
#62
#62
Let's not forget the pass interference call for a ball that Randy Moss couldn't have caught if he was standing on Kenny George's shoulders.
 
#63
#63
vols-1 said:
but didn't 13 men on the field cause them to shift
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the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play the FINAL play
 
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NEVolFan said:
Agree with you.....this is the time we get to vent. Some points are valid and some stuff should not be taken too seriously....but we need to speak out, we cannot take this crap to sleep. Common sense may prevail tomorrow (maybe Monday).

Hell, like ole Jerry Clower would say...Shoot up here amongst us.... one of us gots to have some relief.
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Common sense still hasn't prevailed regarding Kiffin. Regardless of who is actually to blame, the UT faithful will blame the refs for this loss. First time in recent memory (at least that I can recall) that a team gets 3 penalties all game (for 10 yards) and that team's fans are livid at officiating.
 
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#65
FEARinSEC said:
The helmet was removed after the clock had expired. I ran it back twice to make sure.
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This is the excuse the officials will use. In reality, the clock had expired, but the game was not over because a game cannot end while a penalty is being mitigated.
 
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#66
T_man_J said:
This is the excuse the officials will use. In reality, the clock had expired, but the game was not over because a game cannot end while a penalty is being mitigated.
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In all the commotion, every single player and coach thought the game was over. Hell, most officials thought the game was over as well. The officiating travesty would have been assessing a penalty for removing the helmet
 
#67
#67
crusse10 said:
In all the commotion, every single player and coach thought the game was over. Hell, most officials thought the game was over as well. The officiating travesty would have been assessing a penalty for removing the helmet
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The helmet was thrown (flagrant); the game was not over. In this scenario, if one player had committed a flagrant foul that injured another player, don't you think that foul would have been assessed?
Players are supposed to have enough discipline to conduct themselves with restraint, and when they don't, they should be held accountable.
 
#68
#68
Since Dooley is playing without much talent, perhaps he can request some type of "special provision" allowing the Vols to play with 13 players on every play to make things fairer.
 
#69
#69
T_man_J said:
The helmet was thrown (flagrant); the game was not over. In this scenario, if one player had committed a flagrant foul that injured another player, don't you think that foul would have been assessed?
Players are supposed to have enough discipline to conduct themselves with restraint, and when they don't, they should be held accountable.
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Reverse roles and have them assess the helmet penalty and tell me if you think it's a travesty.
 
#71
#71
crusse10 said:
Reverse roles and have them assess the helmet penalty and tell me if you think it's a travesty.
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What a fan thinks (or a player) is not related to the application of the rules. I think that many current issues are travesties of justice, but there are laws that force me that act in a civilized manner, and I comply.

The real issue in the game was that there was not an even application of the rules. The most obvious issue was the non enforcement of Rule 3, Article 5, paragraph e (NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations).
 
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#72
#72
T_man_J said:
What a fan thinks (or a player) is not related to the application of the rules. I think that many current issues are travesties of justice, but there are laws that force me that act in a civilized manner, and I comply.

The real issue in the game was that there was not an even application of the rules. The most obvious issue was the non enforcement of Rule 3, Article 5, paragraph e (NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations).
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I'm not going to waste my time reading whatever you're telling me to find. Unless it says that a common event like throwing a helmet or spiking a ball post-game must be penalized in the event that a defensive penalty with no time remaining adds an untimed down to the game, then your points are invalid. Almost nobody but the Umpire knew there were too many men on the field. Throwing the flag would be an incorrect interpretation of the rule.
 
#73
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volnSC said:
Live-Ball—Dead-Ball Fouls
ARTICLE 6. When a live-ball foul by one team is followed by one or more
dead-ball fouls (including live-ball fouls treated as dead-ball fouls) by an
opponent or by the same team, the penalties are administered separately and
in the order of occurrence (A.R. 10-1-6-I-V).

What it means is the "too many men on the field" call should have been enforced then the 15 yd personal foul for the "removal of the helmet" should have been enforced from that spot. We got screwed on that deal, period!
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Why should removal of helmet penalty only be called on LSU when UT players were also removing their helmets?
 
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