Helton's offense, QB run question ?

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There are 130 play books in Division I college football.

I'm gonna bet at least 128 of them have a quarterback draw play in there somewhere. Us included.

Helton may never dial that play up, but he has the ability to. And the lads have undoubtedly practiced it (along with the rest of the book).
 
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volmandu said:
I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
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It is in the playbook, but it is in a later chapter. That chapter was written for limited use in specialized game plans, so you will not see it unless that portion of the chapter is pulled for that week's game plan.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
There are 130 play books in Division I college football.

I'm gonna bet at least 128 of them have a quarterback draw play in there somewhere. Us included.

Helton may never dial that play up, but he has the ability to. And the lads have undoubtedly practiced it (along with the rest of the book).
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Just to use complete opposites as far as body type is concerned I think you are a lot more likely to run a successful quarterback draw with a Tim Tebow versus a Tyler Bray. You have to take into account the skillset of the individual quarterback.
 
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Pepe said:
Just to use complete opposites as far as body type is concerned I think you are a lot more likely to run a successful quarterback draw with a Tim Tebow versus a Tyler Bray. You have to take into account the skillset of the individual quarterback.
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Agreed, Pepe, but every one of those Division 1 coaches out there, they'll run a QB draw when the situation's right for it. Even if their QB is a statue.

Some QB run plays aren't about how well the QB can run; they're about how well you can catch the other team unprepared.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Agreed, Pepe, but every one of those Division 1 coaches out there, they'll run a QB draw when the situation's right for it. Even if their QB is a statue.

Some QB run plays aren't about how well the QB can run; they're about how well you can catch the other team unprepared.
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Guarantano did catch the West Virginia Defense by surprise on his attempted quarterback plunge at the goal line, but he just did not make it. Admittedly, Josh Dobbs probably would have scored on that play
 
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Pepe said:
Guarantano did catch the West Virginia Defense by surprise on his attempted quarterback plunge at the goal line, but he just did not make it.
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That's nothing close to what we're talking about when we talk about successful draw plays.

When a draw works well, there's a half-dozen defenders to both sides of the QB, but a big wide open funnel of green grass in front of him, wide enough to drive a truck through and long enough to land an Alaskan bush plane.

You generally will not see that work on a goal line play. Too many bodies whose job it is to plug up the middle.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's nothing close to what we're talking about when we talk about successful draw plays.

When a draw works well, there's a half-dozen defenders to both sides of the QB, but a big wide open funnel of green grass in front of him, wide enough to drive a truck through and long enough to land an Alaskan bush plane.

You generally will not see that work on a goal line play. Too many bodies whose job it is to plug up the middle.
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It is my opinion that that kind of play works best when it is a spur-of-the-moment decision by the quarterback in a regular drop-back pass play to take off and run, rather than as designed quarterback draw.
 
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Pepe said:
It is my opinion that that kind of play works best when it is a spur-of-the-moment decision by the quarterback in a regular drop-back pass play to take off and run, rather than as designed quarterback draw.
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So, good, you understand how useful it can be, too. Even if you don't have a QB known for his running ability. Take what they'll give you.

But have no doubt; they've all got it in the playbook, too.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So good. You understand how useful it can be, too. Even if you don't have a QB known for his running ability. Take what they'll give you.

But have no doubt; they've all got it in the playbook, too.
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I do know that Peyton never looked for that opportunity. Which was one of his failings as a quarterback. There were many times that you had a chance to land a 747 in front of him. Belichick in particular had a tendency to leave ample room for him to run if he wanted to.
 
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volmandu said:
I know Helton ran Brohm's offense at WKU and they did have some neatly designed QB runs. They weren't QB run heavy but every once in a while QB would just take off to keep the defenses guessing and honest. I do not remember USC running those plays with Tee and Helton as Co-OCs.

Does anyone here know if Helton's offense has those elements ? Or was that more Brohm thing ?

I am surprised we did not try a single run play with JG. I know he is not Dobbs with his legs but WKU offense did not have a big time runner too. Just little runs here and there.

Thoughts ? Insights ?
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what i don't get is why didn't Chryst at least get one chance at the end to throw the ball.........hell, it wasn't like it could have cost us a loss...why just roll over?
 
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There were at least three or four plays where the camera angle showed us running it one way and if JG woulda just faked it and taken off the other way, there was nobody visible for 25 yards.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I personally dont care if Helton never calls any dedicated run plays for JG or any of our QBs.
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While it does sting a little bit to see that defensive end close down on the rb and a gapping hole open where the defensive end came from I do understand not wanting to get your premier qb injured.
 
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jacdaniels said:
what i don't get is why didn't Chryst at least get one chance at the end to throw the ball.........hell, it wasn't like it could have cost us a loss...why just roll over?
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The thought that comes to my mind is that Tee's biggest asset that I recall was the impromptu takeoffs whenever the opportunity presented itself in front of him. He had an uncanny ability to pull a play out of his ass and he was seriously fast.
 
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Not to harp on the guy but for a dual threat QB hes about as elusive as a... as a... well I cant think of anything clever, but the dudes about the opposite of elusive.
 
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Dobbs became a better QB when he began to recognize the holes when they opened up and he did not hesitate and took off. The one thing we miss is that Dobbs took punishment..a real beating but never complained. JG can't do that and JP doesn't want to accept QB runs if it means injury. I just hope the line can hold up and he doesnt take a beating every game. These SEC defensive lines are big and quick. If you think that ng was good for WV just wait another 3 weeks.
 
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KBVol said:
JP got asked about JG not having any designed QB runs Saturday. Believe he said something like running would put him at more risk of taking hits and getting injured and that’s not what they want to happen right now.
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I don't think he would get injured after watching him get pasted in the first 2 series. The one where he got hit in the back, I thought he was gonna be spittin ' out teeth, but he came right back. Boy is some kinda tuff !!!!!
 
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KBVol said:
Been documented many times now that he called 3rd down passing situation plays at USC.

Tee called 1st and 2nd down plays, and HC Clay Helton gave input when he felt it necessary.
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I believe it's a bad idea for two offensive coordinators calling plays. The USC situation is the only time I heard of it happening.
 
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