Helmet Throwing.

#26
#26
After the fumbled snap why was a penalty not called for the lsu player slamming his helmet to the ground??

RULE 9 Conduct of Players and Others Subject to the Rules
SECTION 2. Unsportsmanlike Conduct Fouls
Unsportsmanlike Acts
ARTICLE 1. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct or any act
that interferes with orderly game administration on the part of players,
substitutes, coaches, authorized attendants or any other persons subject to
the rules, before the game, during the game or between periods.
a. Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage
in such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to
game officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited
to:
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area
(Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment
adjustment; through play; between periods; and during a
measurement for a first down).
If committed while the ball is alive, these fouls are treated as dead-ball
fouls.
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul or live-ball foul treated as dead-ball foul.
15 yards [S7 and S27] from the succeeding spot.
 
#28
#28
I saw that too! Unfortunately though it's not a reviewable call. Somehow you can review 13 men on the field but not a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty that would've changed the outcome of the game! It stinks, but that's the way it is.
 
#30
#30
It should have been called, but I can understand the refs' not wanting a technicallity rule, that really had no bearing on the play's outcome, to determine the outcome of the game.
 
#31
#31
But the play is not over when he takes off his helmet if the flag is threw or going to be threw... I know the clock is on zero but the play is still alive!
 
#32
#32
BloodRUNZOrange said:
well its over now but i said the same about alabama last year. the second fat azz blocked the kick he took his helmet off wich should have been a 15 yard penalty and let us re kick. if your ging to have the damn rule then inforce it...if not then get rid of the rule
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You must not have gotten the memo.

Removal of the helmet is enforced as if it were a dead ball foul occurring after the play. That's the rule. So the result of the play stands, and the penalty is assessed after the play. So with the Bama game, it would have been a 15 yard penalty assessed on Bama after the play - which is a moot point since the game is over.

With regards to the LSU game, UT #21 walked from the sideline onto the field of play before the play was dead - without his helmet on. You can see this very clearly in the same shot that you can see T-Bob removing his helmet. Thus you have two dead ball fouls that offset.
 
#34
#34
Carl Pickens said:
Miles can't even spell his own name when you spot him the L and the S.
Face it.....you have an intelectually challenged ape coaching your program and driving it into the swampy bowels of the arm pit of America that is known as Baton Rouge.
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I don't dispute any of that, except that I believe Houston to be the other arm pit. I don't live in Baton Rouge and don't much care for it except on game days. And Leslie Miles is an utter moron - yet somehow he outsmarted Dooley, didn't he?
 
#36
#36
thebiglowboski said:
But the play is not over when he takes off his helmet if the flag is threw or going to be threw... I know the clock is on zero but the play is still alive!
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It doesn't matter. It's enforced as a dead ball foul regardless of whether or not the infraction occurs during the play. UT #21 and #74 also had their helmets off as they walked from the sideline onto the field slightly before T-Bob took off his helmet. You can see it right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3taXPSpx9Q

UT went from 13 men on the field to 15 at a moment that you claim to have been during a live play - two of the 15 without helmets on. Seriously how many guys do you need on the field?
 
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#37
#37
Hey Spidermantuba,

Since you seem to know everything, can you please explain to those of us who don't, which one of your officials threw the penalty flag on the last play of the game for UT having too many players on the field? Was it the same one who threw the pass interference penalty a few plays earlier to put LSU on the goal line?

I have watched the last play many times over and over looking for the flag, and I can't find it.

Where was the flag? Maybe, I can't find it as it is the same color as the end zone, maybe it was never thrown just like the penalty for the many players that threw their helmets off after the play.

Where was the Flag?

Gunner
 
#39
#39
Look guys I know you are upset. Trust me, I would have rather a lose instead of seeing the last minute of that game.

With that said, the helmet toss is not going to help. You have countless guys in the field of play while the play was going on. They weren't just a few feet on the field, #21 was about 3 yards from where they are scrabbling for the ball. The play is ongoing and he's in the middle of the action.

Now, what your coach was saying about substitution is just wrong. The Vols were given plenty of time to send players off the field and elected not to send any off. Matter of fact the officials would not let the ball be put in play until everyone was set.

Look, I know it's not a good way of ending the game but I don't see any major blunder by the officials.

It was bad offensive coaching on LSU's part and just an untimely penalty on the Vols. IMHO
 
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#40
#40
gunner said:
Hey Spidermantuba,

Since you seem to know everything, can you please explain to those of us who don't, which one of your officials threw the penalty flag on the last play of the game for UT having too many players on the field? Was it the same one who threw the pass interference penalty a few plays earlier to put LSU on the goal line?

I have watched the last play many times over and over looking for the flag, and I can't find it.

Where was the flag? Maybe, I can't find it as it is the same color as the end zone, maybe it was never thrown just like the penalty for the many players that threw their helmets off after the play.

Where was the Flag?

Gunner
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Gunner,

The flag was thrown, but it was hard to see on television. I went back and watched the replay, and if you watch carefully, you'll see the back judge counting the Vol players just before the snap. When the ball is snapped, he clearly reaches and pulls the flag. His mistake was he didn't throw it up, instead he just ran up and dropped the flag. Being that it was in a yellow endzone, it made it very difficult to see. The television camera panned to follow the bad snap, so it missed the ref actually dropping the flag, but from the stands I spotted it almost immediately following the play.

I'm not making excuses. The whole game was a travesty of officiating, on both sides. As I stated in another thread, I think Les Miles must have a leprechaun in his pocket, because he keeps coming up with new and exciting ways to exhibit his incompetence while still winning games.
 
#41
#41
Thanks for the explanation, I saw him counting the players, but I never saw the flag come out. It doesn't matter anyway. I just hope the Vols don't get the same crew today at UGA.

Go Vols.
 
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